Mbeki turnaround ?

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The President has hardly ever spoken about the importance of branches, as the person who centralised power to himself in the ANC and in Government is this a turnaround in his thinking or just preparations for the 52nd National Conference in December

From this it is clear that the Broad Front for Development which the January 8th Statement calls for, will and must essentially be built from below. This task will therefore fall especially on the shoulders of our local leadership collectives and branches. Of enormous help in this regard will be the work in which our local structures are already involved - the Imvuselelo Campaign. Our success in this regard will give us the possibility to interact with our local communities and community based organisations in an effective manner. At the same time, our structures will have to interact in a correct and constructive manner with our Municipal Councils, Ward Committees and Community Development Workers.

Similarly, our cadres deployed in all three spheres of government, at both executive and administrative levels, will have to ensure that they respond in a serious and sustained manner to the tasks contained in the January 8th Statement. In this regard, among other things, this Statement says:

"For those in government and in the legislatures, it requires that policies and programmes are effectively implemented and coordinated, continually monitored and evaluated, and always informed by the needs, interests and views of the masses of our people. It requires a mobilisation not only of the substantial resources and capacity of the state, but also the mobilisation of the most important resource within our communities - our people - behind this central task."

Everything we have said points to the increased responsibility that rests on the shoulders of the elected leadership collectives of the ANC, from the National Executive Committee (NEC), to the Branch Executive Committees (BECs). These will have to ensure that they give the necessary leadership, guidance and support both to our comrades deployed in the governance structures, as well as those working in ANC structures.

As the January 8th Statement reminded us, when we celebrated the 95th Anniversary of our movement at the highly successful rally at Emalahleni in Mpumalanga, we also began the last five years that will end with our celebration of the Centenary of the ANC in 2012. We are determined to ensure that when we hold these historic celebrations five years hence, having significantly changed the lives of our people for the better, we will be able to say - 100 years after it was born, the ANC can justly claim that the ANC lives!, the ANC leads! Among the heroes and heroines we will celebrate on January 8th, 2012 will be those among our members who will have served as our Cadres for Development, in the interest of all the people of our country.

Branches will be the starting point for discussions across the organisation on ANC policy, strategy and tactics, and organisational tasks and challenges.

As indicated in the January 8th Statement: "Our branches are uniquely positioned to reflect on which organisational strategies are most effective at grassroots level, and what policies and programmes have the greatest impact on the lives of the people. The branch is therefore the site from which the interaction of theory and practice is best observed.

Thabo Mbeki

Letter From the President
 
Blah blah lipservice blah.
/me translates:
It's not upper leadership's problem, it's them down there's problem.
In the meantime .. i'm off to Bali or somewhere.
Have fun.
 
The President has hardly ever spoken about the importance of branches, as the person who centralised power to himself in the ANC and in Government is this a turnaround in his thinking or just preparations for the 52nd National Conference in December

i think that is a misperception and a viewpoint most oft expressed by those wishing to discredit the motivations of the President (by making his role as President seem all powerful and forgetting that he is only one piece of a whole system), in particular those who are opposed to the current financial policies of the government.
 
i think that is a misperception and a viewpoint most oft expressed by those wishing to discredit the motivations of the President (by making his role as President seem all powerful and forgetting that he is only one piece of a whole system), in particular those who are opposed to the current financial policies of the government.

Then why did he centralise power, by combining the Office of the President and Deputy President into the Presidency, and why did he appoint a Superminister in the form of Essop Pahad and a Super DG in the form of Rev Frank Chikane

The problem of the marginalisation of ANC branches has been around since Mbeki became President, these complaints were becoming commonplace at ANC meetings and eventually were ignored - Mervin Gumede's book on Mbeki describes this phenomenon quite well - can't find the passage right now, but remember reading it - It is well worth a read

I have no problem with the current financial policies or indeed most strategies of Government, but was wondering if this is a turnaround in the strategy and will branches be given more say as to the running of the country ? or is this just to get the branches on board and behind Mbeki's chosen candidate ( whoever that is ) for the National Congress
 
social grants and nationalisation of assets will probably be on the table if the "grass roots" members get their way. Time to start buying foreign assets I think...
 
Bah. If government and local legislature actually did some work and stopped pissing away the countries money maybe we'd go somewhere. Seems we only have one person in government and that's Mbeki and he's never here.

Simple maneuvering on Mbeki's part to stop the zuma rot.

Some honesty would help.

Somebody actually doing some work would help: instead of the highest rate of AIDS orphans in the world. Ah, the cherry.
 
Bah. If government and local legislature actually did some work and stopped pissing away the countries money maybe we'd go somewhere. Seems we only have one person in government and that's Mbeki and he's never here.

Simple maneuvering on Mbeki's part to stop the zuma rot.

Some honesty would help.

Somebody actually doing some work would help: instead of the highest rate of AIDS orphans in the world. Ah, the cherry.

I have read on an international news site this week I think it was BBC the cause for South Africa's high level of aids victims are because for the longest time the current government were in denial about HIV and AIDS.

Looks like the same thing is happening at the moment regarding crime... South Africa will only get worse if they keep on denying there is no problem with crime.
 
I have read on an international news site this week I think it was BBC the cause for South Africa's high level of aids victims are because for the longest time the current government were in denial about HIV and AIDS.

Looks like the same thing is happening at the moment regarding crime... South Africa will only get worse if they keep on denying there is no problem with crime.

There has never been a denial of the problem of crime, the President has said, as I have many times on this forum, that there exists a perception that crime is out of control and on the increase - there is no real evidence to suggest that this perception is correct - but there is statistical data showing the contrary to this perception, is in fact the reality

In today's Letter from the President, Mbeki writes

None of the great social problems we have to solve is capable of resolution outside the context of the creation of jobs and the alleviation and eradication of poverty. This relates to everything, from the improvement of the health of our people, to reducing the levels of crime, raising the levels of literacy and numeracy, and opening the doors of learning and culture to all

Mbeki and other cabinet members continuosly state that crime is a problem, one should really think about who is in denial about this country and who is not ?
 
There has never been a denial of the problem of crime, the President has said, as I have many times on this forum, that there exists a perception that crime is out of control and on the increase - there is no real evidence to suggest that this perception is correct - but there is statistical data showing the contrary to this perception, is in fact the reality

You mean the data released by the government that everyone suspects is highly doctored? That could never happen right? So I await your response in this thread:
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=63888
 
There has never been a denial of the problem of crime, the President has said, as I have many times on this forum, that there exists a perception that crime is out of control and on the increase - there is no real evidence to suggest that this perception is correct - but there is statistical data showing the contrary to this perception, is in fact the reality

Lies, damned lies and statistics. :D But seriously, those statistics have little credibility with most people since the various moratoriums etc. especially since they differ to other privately compiled statistics which people place more credibility in. Even assuming those stats were 100% accurate it has becoming increasingly difficult to report crimes that do occur due to the general police incompetence, and due to that same incompetence the only reason most people report crimes to the police these days is to get a case number for insurance or when somebody is actually caught, usually by a private security company. Where that doesn't happen most people don't even bother informing the police, which would lead to a drop in stats.

Lets assume for a minute though that the statistics are right, which I don't believe for a second btw, and that crime is actually decreasing. The fact remains that perception is reality. If investors and businesspeople, local and international, perceive crime to be out of control then they will act on that assumption, as will the citizens of the country who feel the government is failing them. Therefore even if the government is right, shouldn't it still be dealing with the problem? Even if the stats are right, again highly doubtful, crime is still way too high.

And nobody can deny that the police unfortunately cannot cope at the moment. I'm not saying that's necessarily their fault, but they need to be provided with the personnel, equipment etc. that they need to do their job.
 
The President has hardly ever spoken about the importance of branches, as the person who centralised power to himself in the ANC and in Government is this a turnaround in his thinking or just preparations for the 52nd National Conference in December

It might be too late, other leaders within the organisation have already won the branches' support having appreciated their importance within the ANC.
 
It might be too late, other leaders within the organisation have already won the branches' support having appreciated their importance within the ANC.
Ya, Mbeki needs to spend more time in the country; he thinks everything runs on auto and people actually do their jobs. What a laugh.

I'm sure kicking out the eastern cape youth league didn't help. Haha. Zooooma for prez! :D

:sick:
 
Then why did he centralise power, by combining the Office of the President and Deputy President into the Presidency, and why did he appoint a Superminister in the form of Essop Pahad and a Super DG in the form of Rev Frank Chikane
What do you mean about combining Pres & DP? There is a Deputy at the moment.

Pahad didn't have a place in the cabinet and they owed him a favour, so they created his position.

Chikane - not sure - again jobs for the boyz?

There has never been a denial of the problem of crime, the President has said, as I have many times on this forum, that there exists a perception that crime is out of control and on the increase - there is no real evidence to suggest that this perception is correct - but there is statistical data showing the contrary to this perception, is in fact the reality

In today's Letter from the President, Mbeki writes



Mbeki and other cabinet members continuosly state that crime is a problem, one should really think about who is in denial about this country and who is not ?
Mbeki was clear when he said "crime is not out of control". We all think otherwise. It shows just how out of touch he is.
 
Mbeki was clear when he said "crime is not out of control". We all think otherwise. It shows just how out of touch he is.

Well he does spend most of his time in the rest of the world where crime isn't out of control, maybe that's how he got confused ;)
 
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