MCSE MCITP fraud.

[Moosedrool]

Opening a can of worms here.

I'm asking this question to understand why these qualifications are still such a high requirement for sysadmins and even technical support staff.

Nearly 90% of individuals I know cheated the exams via Braindumps or some online exam parrot multiple choice memory thing in the past yet companies recruiting IT experts still eat up people boasting about being certified enterprise admins.

 

[Fulcrum29]

As one told me the other day, Google is your friend. Pissed me off right there and then. Problem solving is key, a fundamental discipline.

 

[xrapidx]

Think the value ended somewhere around 1999/2000.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Think the value ended somewhere around 1999/2000.

It still serves as a doorstop for entry to the market, so does the CompTIA certifications portfolio. I agree with this, people in IT needs to understand the basics and principles before venturing into a field where service levels apply, even if you are capable. The one thing that I have learned from our market is that many does not give a schit about the standards, those which applies globally, some in service management does not even understand ITIL… The issue is that graduation is simplified.

 

[jamacouve]

This is not limited to MCITP or MCSE or any Microsoft qualifications for that matter.

Its happened all across the IT field.

 

[Genisys]

This is not limited to MCITP or MCSE or any Microsoft qualifications for that matter.

Its happened all across the IT field.

Mind sharing what other qualifications get abused?

 

[gregmcc]

Its common with the low level certs but once you start getting to the more specialized certs you have to know what you are doing. There are no brain dumps for certs like CCIE, CISSP

 

[Lord Farquart]

Think the value ended somewhere around 1999/2000.

1999 MCSE checking in. Back then internet was something companies had. My study was littered with PCs and network equipment set up to do labs etc. Round about the same time the bottom fell out of the MCSE market due to over supply. If not I would have been in a pure IT environment right now, being your Sysadmin.:twisted:

 

[jamacouve]

Mind sharing what other qualifications get abused?

Well I'm in networking and have seen the likes of mainly Cisco and Juniper certs being dumped. I have interviews people with higher certifications that me that have absolutely no idea of the bare minimums

 

[jamacouve]

Its common with the low level certs but once you start getting to the more specialized certs you have to know what you are doing. There are no brain dumps for certs like CCIE, CISSP

CCIE Lab yes, the written can still be partially dumped

 

[gregmcc]

Well I'm in networking and have seen the likes of mainly Cisco and Juniper certs being dumped. I have interviews people with higher certifications that me that have absolutely no idea of the bare minimums

You can pick up very quickly all those who have paper certs. Its actually pretty funny. CCNA's that don't even know how to configure interfaces.

 

[jamacouve]

The best is when asking about intervlan routing and the term "router on a stick" pops up.

Then I know

 

[syntax]

Its common with the low level certs but once you start getting to the more specialized certs you have to know what you are doing. There are no brain dumps for certs like CCIE, CISSP

Unfortunately there are dumps for CCIE Labs.
Up until recently Cisco did nothing about it, they are cracking down hard now though.

At the moment the only Cisco exams I know that are 100% not dumped are the CCDE and the CCAR (the AR is obviously impossible to dump since its a panel interview)

It doesnt bother me much though, nothing better than making mince meat out of a dumped candidate

 

[Moosedrool]

Unfortunately there are dumps for CCIE Labs.
Up until recently Cisco did nothing about it, they are cracking down hard now though.

And this helps? It gives those who cheated in the past a free pass. Personally I'd say scrap it below legacy and get new proper certificates (New names) which are fool proof in the examination center.

Example 70-640 cause it's my field. Let the kids build AD forests and set up replication, have a large series of incidents and Business as usual tasks written up and give every individual a few to complete. For the pricing of these exams it surely isn't hard work to have actual practical exams. And call it something else.

 

[Slootvreter]

Well I'm in networking and have seen the likes of mainly Cisco and Juniper certs being dumped. I have interviews people with higher certifications that me that have absolutely no idea of the bare minimums

Cisco certs are no longer available on Examcollection.

 

[Slootvreter]

I also know about people who have been doing "self study" (braindumps).

The reason is that they have been doing the job for years, and for some reason now requires the papers.

 

[Fulcrum29]

I also know about people who have been doing "self study" (braindumps).

The reason is that they have been doing the job for years, and for some reason now requires the papers.

It happens, all my certs are outdated, and I have been ‘asked’ to stay up to date. I have moved to sales, it has been 5 years since I did anything technical for clients.

 

[syntax]

And this helps? It gives those who cheated in the past a free pass. Personally I'd say scrap it below legacy and get new proper certificates (New names) which are fool proof in the examination center.

Example 70-640 cause it's my field. Let the kids build AD forests and set up replication, have a large series of incidents and Business as usual tasks written up and give every individual a few to complete. For the pricing of these exams it surely isn't hard work to have actual practical exams. And call it something else.

It helps from now. They are starting to do more than other vendors with regards to cracking down at least.
I get hurt probably more than others, those dumping their CCIE labs ruin the certification, something which I invested huge amounts of time and effort in obtaining.
Fortunately, the industry is quite small, and anyone trying to pass as an expert quickly gets found out and labelled anyways.

Your example for a certification can still be dumped, you wont believe how complicated the practical is for the CCIE labs and there are multiple labs, but they eventually get figured out and dumped and if a guy tries hard enough he can learn all of it.

The CCDE is designed in a harder way to dump,because its not a static lab where you can memorize the topology and eventually memorize the questions, which allows you to figure out the answers. I cant give much away, but there are points where you could be right, but it takes you in a different direction and makes you think you could have been wrong. There are so many variations all based on previous answers, the exam builds on itself and what choices you have made, which makes it much much harder to dump.
You would likely need someone who has legitimately passed, to remember all his choices for each of the 4 scenarios exactly.
Considering there are 15 or 16 scenarios, it becomes increasingly difficult.

There is only so much though that can be done to protect the certifications, which is likely why cisco's premier cert is a panel interview. There is simply no way to get round that.

 

[SauRoNZA]

And that's why I love the Red Hat exams so much.

It's a live environment with no questions only instructions on what the results should be.

If you can't physically do it you can't pass.

 

[Lupus]

And that's why I love the Red Hat exams so much.

It's a live environment with no questions only instructions on what the results should be.

If you can't physically do it you can't pass.

This , I should've listened to everyone last year and completed my RHCSE instead of trying LPIs which I still say try trick you in the exams.