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kaspaas

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Hi Guys,

please refresh my mind:

If my memory does not fail me, senior Telkom represenatives claimed during the Video conference with RPM that this site feeds ADSL users with misinformation.

Did Telkom indicate and proof any such misinformation since then? My memory does not recall any such happenings?

Anything I missed or forgot?
 
No, I don't believe they did.

But I find that a ridiculous statement. All they need to do is listen to their employees dealing with customers. Now that is true misinformation.


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United we stand!
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Call me a vicious forumite, but -

a) if Telkom (or a representative of Telkom) stated something that is provably false, and which conceivably could be reasonably considered to be a slur on the good reputation of this Website and its Users - and furthermore, if said Telkom rep was kind enough to make these criminal allegations in a recordable medium reaching the mass public..

then surely this is grounds for a charge of at least slander, if not a variety of other charges ( many of which with the word 'malicious' in them) ?

Any lawyers want to look at what was said, and see whether or not a nice simple estimate for damages can be laid at telkom's lawyers door?

(If a local Website has been slandered with the charge of 'misinformation' (ie: feeding lies and half truths to its users) this must be reacted to like any business in the news media, which has its validity, ethics and honesty smeared.

It's clear that Telkom is unaware of how serious the Internet is, and how easily it can be used to communicate discontent - otherwise they would choose their words far more carefully.

So come on, could a lawyer look over what Telkom said, and if there're suitable grounds - assemble a nice simple series of charges, and at the same time, this Website sends out press releases to the Media so that the information-spin is controlled correctly from the get-go.

This might well teach a monolithic outdated company that they need to watch their manners and language when talking about local online Websites. This website is a valid news source, and Telkom thought it (and the Internet) was so irrelevent that they could make actionable statements and get away with it.

Why let them?

Look over what was said, and if they've crossed the line in terms of public statements, sue them. Dont just keep the discontent online, make it a BIG problem and PR nightmare for them..
 
The problem with any form of legal action against Telkom is cost. Pure and simple -> they have bags of money to throw @ litigation which can in effect nullify any attempt to take legal action against them.

When dealing with legal issues generally it's not who is right or wrong; rather who has the most money....
 
Sad but true , at the end of the day telkom is still in controll and have the goverment behind them , and can just add they own laws as they please to deafend themselfs , thats the sad part there is no one to control them and tommorow they can change all the laws as they like .
 
but when regulatory changes start infringing the constitututional rights of the public the law is not moot, the law is vociferous. And where there is an infringement, there is public debate. And where there is public debate, there are gaps in legislation, and where there are gaps in legislation, there are oportunities.

The ANC won the battle for human rights in this country, not in court, but by steady and consistent pressure from the grass roots upward. Our ministers need to be reminded of this by us applying the same standards to EVERYTHING we find unacceptable in the way our country is regulated. The ANC said, live under apartheid but make the country ungovernable. We have the power, believe it or not, to do the same with Telkom. Find every avenue possible to assert every right we have under the law - and do it as publicly as we can.
The more voices, the more action. Telkom do not enjoy the blank cheque they had under the goverments ownership. The stock exchange will win our battle for us. Shake the share price and we will see rapid and decisive change in our favour.
The more press we can generate the better - we as a forum have the wherewithall to create a massive groudswell of public opinion.
Get out there and promote this forum, write to the editor of every national publication, trade magazine or anything else you can think of. Keep your letters factual and brief. Get published as often as you can. Sooner or later (probably sooner than we think) a broadcaster will pick up on this outpouring and headline it.

I am on a MAJOR rant here. The year is 2003 folks! A businessman bought himself a ticket into space two years ago. Albanian families are watching movies over ADSL as I write. Most countries are implementing generation 3 DSL connectivity. VFDSL (Very Fast DSL - 8Meg down, 2 Meg up over copper). I on the other hand have just waited for yet another browser window to time out on my 52kbps dial up connection. 37.5 Billion in turnover? Telkom, there are no words to describe your lack of propriety.
 
I guess telkom is like puppet.
It's actually government behind all this.
Telkom is just following its master's order.

believe or not. [:p]
 
Peapod - and if what you suggest (which is the right way to go about it!) does not work we can always resort to electronic civil disobedience and make the servers of Telkom, ICASA, the govt and any others that oppose us unusable...

The principle - http://www.thing.net/~rdom/ecd/EDTECD.html

How one does it - http://www.thing.net/~rdom/ecd/ZapTact.html

I must say however that this avenue should only be considered as an absolute LAST RESORT. Deregulation is a complex issue and although Dr Ivy has screwed the process up monumentally we have to have a measure of patience - her time is nearly up anyway. Starting with a complaint to ICASA is the 1st logical step - along with rallying political support from the official opposition I suppose...
 
ASF: I believe time to be running out for Telkom. Idle threats will get us no where. If they are so arrogant that they wont even respond to us then I think sooner rather than later(Personal opinion). I am tired of reading stories of how Telkom does what they want, when they want, to who they want. I mean just take a look a LCR, they let off vodacom but wont let off others. They are bums and I think the sooner we make a REAL statement the better.

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Peapod, with a speech like that you can be my general any day. We must fight the oppressor. All we need now is a plan of action. How do we go about bringing this to the attention of the people who can make a difference?

I have a plan.

We should draft an e-mail with all the things we <i>want</i>. It should be a group effort, involving all the people here. It should include the things we find wrong about ADSL, as well as general things we find wrong about telecommunications at large. Things like VOIP and LCR being illegal. The delays in appointing a SNO. Etc. It should be a long and detailed list. It should be very comprehensive.

After the list is compiled, it should be edited by a team of two or three community-appointed editors to make sure we get the right message across without seeming like petulant teenagers.

Every single one of us, including everyone we know, should take a copy of the e-mail and send it to the following people:

Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri, Minister of Communications
Dene Smuts, DA Spokesperson for Communications ([email protected])
Mandla Langa, Chairperson of ICASA
Sizwe Nxasana, Telkom Chief Executive Officer
Every single editor of every single newspaper and technology magazine in the country.

Feel free to add to the list. We'll also need e-mail address for all the above people and we need to know which newspapers/magazines to contact and who the editors are.

I suggest we resend the e-mail every month until we get a <b>favourable</b> response.

It is very important that we commit to this endeavour en masse. If not, there's no point. We need to send these people thousands of e-mails. We need to bring their mail servers down. We need to slow down the Telkom infrastructure to such an extent that they will do anything to prevent us from doing another mailshot.

Juice
 
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