More farm Genocide

[marine1]

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Elderly-couple-murdered-on-Gauteng-farm-20110702

Johannesburg - An elderly couple was murdered on their Heidelberg farm on Saturday morning, Gauteng police said.

Constable Tikoane Sonopo said a towing service called the couple's son after their car was found overturned on the R42 road near Vereeniging.

The son went to his parent's Houtpoort farm just after 05:30 and found his 60-year-old mother tied up in the living room with multiple stab wounds. She was already dead.

He found his father, also with multiple stab wounds, dead on the bedroom floor.

Sonopo said the house was ransacked. A rifle and electrical appliances were stolen.

Police were investigating, he said.

 

[dal2000]

This is really becoming ****ing terrible. I don't know what to say.

 

[ForceFate]

Genocide? You know you're pushing it, right?

May their souls RIP.

 

[MegasXLR]

Genocide? You know you're pushing it, right?

May their souls RIP.

No? then call it FUZuma and FUMalema murder akin to genocide.

 

[ForceFate]

No? then call it FUZuma and FUMalema murder akin to genocide.

I see it as murder (So does most South Africans). How is it different from any other robbery where the victim is seen as a soft target? Unfortunately in this case, lives were lost. What exactly are you insinuating?

Once again, condolences to the family. May the victims souls RIP.

 

[MegasXLR]

I see it as murder (So does most South Africans). How is it different from any other robbery where the victim is seen as a soft target? Unfortunately in this case, lives were lost. What exactly are you insinuating?

Once again, condolences to the family. May the victims souls RIP.

So according to you that is just another botched up robbery as the SA ANC statistic's would have it. What will you say when the farm murder rate increase when FUMalema implement his "unofficial" plans of land "recovery"?

 

[genetic]

Terrible!

Hope they catch the fsckers.

So according to you that is just another botched up robbery as the SA ANC statistic's would have it. What will you say when the farm murder rate increase when FUMalema implement his "unofficial" plans of land "recovery"?

What about the 50+ other murders that happen DAILY??? 40+ being in the townships?

Is that not genocide?

 

[Alestorm]

What about the 50+ other murders that happen DAILY??? 40+ being in the townships?

Is that not genocide?

You are of course talking to marine1 and XLR, so I wouldn't bother. Although I do think there is some truth to what they're saying.. in a way, it is a very hateful crime almost like a "revenge" attack in some cases where it's the generally conservative "boere" who are victims. But the criminals would do nearly the same to anybody they happen to be robbing, so it's not of much consequence when they're murdered.

MegasXLR, Malema's land "reform" policies are very much official in the Youth League. It is a terrible idea and obviously based on taking back (with possible implied force) what white people "stole".

 

[marine1]

What about the 50+ other murders that happen DAILY??? 40+ being in the townships?

Is that not genocide?

right back at you, are we going to go down this road again?


For the billionth time:

Genocide is defined as "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"

 

[ponder]

What about the 50+ other murders that happen DAILY??? 40+ being in the townships?

Is that not genocide?

right back at you, are we going to go down this road again?


For the billionth time:

Genocide is defined as "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"

marine1, if it was genocide the ratio of black people being killed vs white the ratio would have to be higher for white people, it's not.

I hate it as much as the next person that those feeding this country are being killed but out on a farm you really are soft target compared to someone living in a suburb. Does not make it acceptable but that's how it is.

 

[marine1]

marine1, if it was genocide the ratio of black people being killed vs white the ratio would have to be higher for white people, it's not.
.

Sorry what???
There are what 50-60 million blacks and what 3-4 million whites? I am going on REAL figures and not the bull we are fed.
That means more blacks are killed, more blacks are committing the crime - its simple maths.
Now look at who owns the farms, WHITES. I could understand that it could be normal crime of opportunity if there was not such gruesome violence.
These are hate crimes and like it or not, GENOCIDE. Funny that Genocide watch agrees.

 

[R13...]

Sorry what???
There are what 50-60 million blacks and what 3-4 million whites? I am going on REAL figures and not the bull we are fed.
That means more blacks are killed, more blacks are committing the crime - its simple maths.
Now look at who owns the farms, WHITES. I could understand that it could be normal crime of opportunity if there was not such gruesome violence.
These are hate crimes and like it or not, GENOCIDE. Funny that Genocide watch agrees.

But like TAU said, only about 1500 farm related murders took place between 1990 and about now. And those numbers include farmers, their visitors and workers. Where do you get the genocide bit?! Or are you able to produce them like the 'great padinski'?!

Funny how you grossly over estimate the number of black people and grossly under estimate the number of white people in the country. Dude you're a nut case of note!

 

[Vrotappel]

Genocide? You know you're pushing it, right?

May their souls RIP.

You're the one pushing it.

 

[Vrotappel]

Terrible!

Hope they catch the fsckers.




What about the 50+ other murders that happen DAILY??? 40+ being in the townships?

Is that not genocide?

The term "genocide" did not exist before 1944. It is a very specific term, referring to violent crimes committed against groups with the intent to destroy the existence of the group.

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Killing your OWN group is not Genocide. Now point me to the whites killing blacks regularly.

 

[Vrotappel]

But like TAU said, only about 1500 farm related murders took place between 1990 and about now. And those numbers include farmers, their visitors and workers. Where do you get the genocide bit?! Or are you able to produce them like the 'great padinski'?!

Funny how you grossly over estimate the number of black people and grossly under estimate the number of white people in the country. Dude you're a nut case of note!

Now please go back and post facts not crap sucked from your thumb! Your 'agenda' on this forum is evident.

 

[Nothxkbi]

Congratulations Malema. You can scratch off another farmer on your kill list.

 

[R13...]

Now please go back and post facts not crap sucked from your thumb! Your 'agenda' on this forum is evident.

My agenda is the truth. I know that's contrary to your particular one of right wing sensationalism. I have posted those facts not the 'blogged' ones marine1 likes to use.

 

[Alestorm]

Link

Killing your OWN group is not Genocide. Now point me to the whites killing blacks regularly.

How about Apartheid's security police and the AWB types killing any blacks, has anyone ever called that genocide? Also I don't get your pint, whites killing blacks has no bearing on whether blacks are committing genocide against boere.

In any case, there's some argument for it being genocide specifically against Afrikaans farmers but it's dead obvious that they also make easy targets and often have a terrible relationship (along racial lines) with the rest of the local community, which is reciprocated.

What exactly is the group being targeted here, any white farmers, only Afrikaans ones or simply all farmers? Only one of those could really be a genocide.

 

[Alestorm]

Aand you guys are just latching on to Malema's shoot the boer nonsense which gives the only bit of credibility to the act being systematic and deliberate. I think you'd find it's really very much done in isolation because of the problems in each rural community, even if they are similar ones. A lot of these attacks are revenge attacks where the attackers know their victims and have some or other reasons for targeting them i.e wage disputes, mistreatment and the like. Not saying that these are good reasons at all, but I think that is what drives it, localised issues, not some systematic plan to kill all white boere. In a lot of these cases this has been found out to be the reason. Why do you think otherwise, ie. that it is systematic and planned?

Also useful to note that this was going on long before Malema's utterances, I always thought the hey-day of farm killings happened before this. Was there any noted spike in killings.. and it would ofc help if we had useful data in general, any sources that aren't "afrikanergenocide.blogspot.com"?

 

[w1z4rd]

This is sad news, but calling this a genocide for cheap political gain is an insult to all people who have being effected by real genocides. Calling this genocide is akin to the story of the boy that cried wolf.