Motivating for an increase

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DrewChan

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In the horns of a dilemma,

I really like my company, they give me nice bonuses, they pay for my studies and in general have done a lot for me - so I am very loyal and appreciative -

I am however unhappy with my current salary compared to market related salaries in my field. I broached the subject with HR and they said "motivate".

I am in an analyst type role, drawing up reports in excel/SPSS based on information we recieve- Also have to draw up initial research criteria. One drawback no formal studies - besides a few short courses on SPSS and Excel. Busy doing Dip. IT

Anyone know what I should expect to earn? Want to know if I am being unreasonable.

PS this isn't a family owned company its corporate so they can afford it :D
 
If they are paying for your studies and giving you so many perks I'd say don't be such an ass. After your studies are finished you can motivate.
 
Take your bonus and costs of study and factor it into your salary and you will probably find you are getting a very decent salary.
 
I know what my CTC is....... even with the addition of studies and bonus it doesn't come close to "market related" jobs I have found, although its well above the salaries mentioned above.

Its not an insult to the company to motivate for an increase - I am suprised that people think it is -

If you believe people have erroneously graded a role I would find it natural to research and motivate for a regrading.

Within my company I am basically bottom rung - well ... 2nd to bottom of "junior management"
 
I'm sure the "market related" salaries you're comparing to are qualified personnel?
 
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Tell them you will go down under the table to fulfill any "needs" managment has :p
 
abzo said:
I'm sure the "market related" salaries you're comparing too are qualified personnel?
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Depends on your definition of qualified - would 3 years within the same role for a major corporate company not classify you as qualified - but I guess thats a debatable point
 
DrewChan said:
Depends on your definition of qualified - would 3 years within the same role for a major corporate company not classify you as qualified - but I guess thats a debatable point
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Nope. Formal tertiary qualification. It always counts, whether you like it or not. People with it should definitely be given the advantage.

Just because you've been there for 3 years doesn't mean that your salary should relate to someone who has qualifications and also been there for 3 years, does it?
 
I've learnt long ago not to believe Pnet or Careerjunction with their "market related" salaries. They always over inflate the amount so that as many people as possible apply and they have a better chance of landing a suitable candidate for their clients.
 
Hmmm fair enough will need to relate against roles within the company then - not many data analyst roles here but the ones I have seen are a paygrade or two above mine-

The problem is my role was graded 4 years ago when it was little more than a data capturing position.

Oh well I'll try do comparisons internally - will make more sense when compared to roles within the company
 
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How are you going to do comparisons internally when salaries are confidential :erm:

Take it up the pooper and work your dues. Your lucky a company hired you and will pay for your qualifications. Rarely happens unless they can see some talent somewhere.
Seriously, work you dues and the "awesome" salary will come.
 
Pho3nix roles are graded - lots of companies do it - using other a "letter" or "numbering" system - doesn't tells you salary but gives you a ballpark idea.

But perhaps you are right.

PS yeah I am fairly lucky I had some pretty high up management standing on their heads to get me where I am.
 
Finish your studies, and then "motivate". This means that a) they will no longer have the study benefit to throw back at you as (often overvalued) ammo for not giving you an increase, and b) you have new qualifications which is a very legitimate reason to ask for an increase. Also note that in your career at any given company, you can only make such requests a few times, before you become "the guy who whines about his salary all the time", so make sure that you choose your timing wisely, and can motivate strongly when you make such requests.
 
cguy said:
Finish your studies, and then "motivate". This means that a) they will no longer have the study benefit to throw back at you as (often overvalued) ammo for not giving you an increase, and b) you have new qualifications which is a very legitimate reason to ask for an increase. Also note that in your career at any given company, you can only make such requests a few times, before you become "the guy who whines about his salary all the time", so make sure that you choose your timing wisely, and can motivate strongly when you make such requests.
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You're getting more ass than South African butcheries maaaafuka.
 
DrewChan said:
Depends on your definition of qualified - would 3 years within the same role for a major corporate company not classify you as qualified - but I guess thats a debatable point
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Another point on this: companies tend to value employees by what the market will pay for them, not by how valuable they are to that particular company (often, a very stupid policy) - a degree/diploma greatly increases your external marketability at the level you are in your career.
 
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