Move to EPP system as cheap as possible (co.za domains)

XperiAnce

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We're still registering our clients domains using the legacy system. This is becoming a problem with clients who have their domains with a registar using EPP, as we cannot go from EPP -> Legacy without cancelling and deleting the domain first.

We'd like to move to EPP but we're a pokey operation, and the R5000 +- accreditation fee isn't something we're super keen on paying. We'd rather go with a third party.

Does anyone recommend any local registars using the EPP system that have a fantastic reseller program, that we as a company could use and then just put a small markup on (admin fee's). We'd like to pay as close to EPP costs as possible (I think it's R35 per domain).
 
We're still registering our clients domains using the legacy system. This is becoming a problem with clients who have their domains with a registar using EPP, as we cannot go from EPP -> Legacy without cancelling and deleting the domain first.

We'd like to move to EPP but we're a pokey operation, and the R5000 +- accreditation fee isn't something we're super keen on paying. We'd rather go with a third party.

Does anyone recommend any local registars using the EPP system that have a fantastic reseller program, that we as a company could use and then just put a small markup on (admin fee's). We'd like to pay as close to EPP costs as possible (I think it's R35 per domain).

Have a look at zadomains.net I recently registered and starting moving over domains.. They have a reseller option and a Registrar option, with the reseller option, there's no epp accreditation fee's payable as you run under them.. You just pay a monthly fee depending on the amount of doamins you have and the price per domain is R59.. I don;t think you'll get it for R35 without being a registrar.. The cheapest you'll get is R50 from one of the other registrars.
 
Dependent on how many domains you have with you, paying the accreditation fee and implementing the EPP process will pay off in the long run.

If you do go for the Reseller option, you will hardly even make a profit, because you will probably pay about R50 per domain, and then you still need to add mark-up - and there just is not a lot of room left for mark-up from there (if you want to remain sustainable).
 
We're still registering our clients domains using the legacy system. This is becoming a problem with clients who have their domains with a registar using EPP, as we cannot go from EPP -> Legacy without cancelling and deleting the domain first.

We'd like to move to EPP but we're a pokey operation, and the R5000 +- accreditation fee isn't something we're super keen on paying. We'd rather go with a third party.

Does anyone recommend any local registars using the EPP system that have a fantastic reseller program, that we as a company could use and then just put a small markup on (admin fee's). We'd like to pay as close to EPP costs as possible (I think it's R35 per domain).

You are not going to find anyone under R50. Almost all of them are R55+ .

The cost of VAT+transaction charges means that anyone who sells them at under R50 is probably running at a loss.
 
Thanks for all the feedback.

We're a website development company, so we don't make a lot of money out of domains and we're not looking to make a fortune in markups (we basically just bundle them in with a package). Legacy system is R75/domain so R55/domain is already a R20 saving. We're also not keen on spending tonnes of cash to get accredited. Considering we only have around 150 domains, becoming an EPP registar doesn't make a lot of sense (we'd rather have a third party that maintains everything, and we can just log in and change things when need be).

Domaincheap is R5 cheaper (it adds up), but ZADomains allude to the fact that, apart from one line, you can make it appear as if you're the registar and everything which is semi-important to us as we prefer to whitelabel anything we're not directly in control of for appearance sake.
 
Thanks for all the feedback.

We're a website development company, so we don't make a lot of money out of domains and we're not looking to make a fortune in markups (we basically just bundle them in with a package). Legacy system is R75/domain so R55/domain is already a R20 saving. We're also not keen on spending tonnes of cash to get accredited. Considering we only have around 150 domains, becoming an EPP registar doesn't make a lot of sense (we'd rather have a third party that maintains everything, and we can just log in and change things when need be).

@XperiAnce

Take a look at www.domains.co.za Registrar or Reseller solution. There are no costs for becoming a Reseller on our system and we don’t even charge you a monthly fee, you can use our system if you have 25+ domains.

PM me your details so we can chat
 
@Domains.co.za (Wayne)

I can't seem to see anything about a reseller program, just domains at R59 / domain. I see there's a "A Reseller solution will be launching approximately end April 2013." note, but nothing further. Is it priced at R59/domain?
 
@Domains.co.za (Wayne)

I can't seem to see anything about a reseller program, just domains at R59 / domain. I see there's a "A Reseller solution will be launching approximately end April 2013." note, but nothing further. Is it priced at R59/domain?

@XperiAnce

We launched our Reseller solution beginning of August 2012, due to our international ICANN accreditation we have to get a few legal technicalities correct so we have not published this on our site yet, were hoping to publish last week but looks like only end next week. The system is almost identical to our Registrar solution except you do not pay any ZACR Registrar fees and Line 1c of the ZACR WHOIS reflects Domains.co.za as the Registrar.

PM me and I'll send you all info or you can email sales @ domains.co.za
 
Hi XperiAnce

My best advice from a costing perspective is to register as a Registrar once you exceed a domain count of 100 or more.
As a registrar you can then offset the payment that ZACR requires for their RAR application against the cost of your domains (R39.90)

If you have less than 100 domains then the reseller option that ZA Domains offers is the quickest and easiest solution for those wanting to manage domains within the EPP system without going the registrar route.

Thanks for the mention mh348!
 
Domaincheap is R5 cheaper (it adds up), but ZADomains allude to the fact that, apart from one line, you can make it appear as if you're the registar and everything which is semi-important to us as we prefer to whitelabel anything we're not directly in control of for appearance sake.
As a developer I am sure that you want transparency, ie your clients do not see another web hosting provider when they view the whois details on Uniforum site

Go with zadomains you won't be sorry.
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@XperiAnce

The system is almost identical to our Registrar solution except you do not pay any ZACR Registrar fees and Line 1c of the ZACR WHOIS reflects Domains.co.za as the Registrar.
Domains.co.za advertises web hosting / competing products on its site, how is this a reseller model?
Resellers require transparency of their provider, this is the first thing that resellers look for in a reseller provider.

Go ZADomains.net
 
I've gone with ZADomains and have already started transferring over 70 odd domains after a test domain went smoothly yesterday. Their support desk also answers the odd question I have very quickly which is a massive factor for me. I don't have a tonne of questions, but when I do, I need an answer within an hour or two (and they've replied in under an hour every time).

I've signed up a reseller account, @server-admins.net, can I later move to a 'registar' account later on without having to make a new username / company / etc and transfer everything over?

At the moment, the reseller solution is best for me as I just need a quick and simple EPP fix - later on, when all the dust settles and the math makes sense to become an official EPP registar, I'll pay the R5k-odd and move to the Registar system with ZA Domains.

Thanks to all for their input.
 
Hi XperiAnce

Thanks for giving us a bash and for the positive feedback, glad to see that you are happy with the system!

With regards to migrating from a Reseller to Registrar, there "some technicalities" such as the domain moving between registrars (zadomains and your new registrar account) so you would need a new account. How ever at the time of doing this, give us a tinkle and we can assist, as always.
 
Domains.co.za advertises web hosting / competing products on its site, how is this a reseller model?
Resellers require transparency of their provider, this is the first thing that resellers look for in a reseller provider.

Go ZADomains.net

Because the reseller / registrar platform doesn't run off the domains.co.za
The fact that you can't tell what registrars or resellers are currently using our platform tells us that the transparency is working as intended.
 
Because the reseller / registrar platform doesn't run off the domains.co.za
The fact that you can't tell what registrars or resellers are currently using our platform tells us that the transparency is working as intended.
thanks for clarifying, but you seemed to have misunderstood what transparency means, or perhaps the question.

As a Domains.co.za reseller, all my domains show domains.co.za on the legacy whois page - Domains.co.za (Wayne) references this as the zacr whois (which is incorrect)
were hoping to publish last week but looks like only end next week. The system is almost identical to our Registrar solution except you do not pay any ZACR Registrar fees and Line 1c of the ZACR WHOIS reflects Domains.co.za as the Registrar.

PM me and I'll send you all info or you can email sales @ domains.co.za

So here is the scenario, I register a domain for a client and after registration the client performs a search on the whois page to ensure that I have made them the registrant... on the whois page the client see's domains.co.za as the registrar.
Confused that he / she has purchased hosting from abchosting.co.za and that his domain is registered by domains.co.za they browse to domains.co.za which offers competing products and services unrelated to what I offer. Worst case scenario is that I may be charging him R55 for web hosting and you are advertising it at R45.00

See the issue? There is no transparency or reseller product here.
The fact that I log in to your reseller panel on a different url / domain means nothing but rather that my clients are exposed to your brand / products.

As per my previous response, www.zadomains.net offer a white label reseller epp solution
 
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So here is the scenario, I register a domain for a client and after registration the client performs a search on the whois page to ensure that I have made them the registrant... on the whois page the client see's domains.co.za as the registrar.
Confused that he / she has purchased hosting from abchosting.co.za and that his domain is registered by domains.co.za they browse to domains.co.za which offers competing products and services unrelated to what I offer. Worst case scenario is that I may be charging him R55 for web hosting and you are advertising it at R45.00

See the issue? There is no transparency or reseller product here.
The fact that I log in to your reseller panel on a different url / domain means nothing but rather that my clients are exposed to your brand / products.

A couple of points here.

In your example, this would assume that a person is technically proficient enough to know how to do a whois on their domain, but not technical proficient enough to identify that they are hosted with a reseller?

Using your example, a person would see ZA Domains as a registrar, and thinking "who are they?" put it in Google and see that ZA Domains or (Article Seven Internet Solutions) is server-admins.net who essentially would also be competition to you.

There is no 100%, completely white-label solution when it comes to being a "reseller" on EPP through a registrar because the ZACR registry will still email the registrant directly every time there is any domain or contact update of any kind and in that email it will tell them that if they have any questions, they must contact the Registrar. Included in that email is the registrars contact information including email address and phone number. As a reseller you can't use your information in the registrants information, this is against the ZACR policies and against ICANN policies on the new 2013 RAA. So line 1c on the legacy whois (which at some point I assume will end up being deprecated) should be the least of the concerns.

This is also not an "isolated to ZACR issue". If you are a reseller on Godaddy / Enom / Black Knight / Register.com / etc, your customer can also look at the whois and see that you are reselling off these Registrars and go and look at their websites and see what services they offer compared to yourselves. In fact on international TLD's, the registrars HAVE to email the resellers registrants every 6 months and inform them of their current contact information on the domains and provide them with the facility to update it (bypassing the reseller). They also required to notify the registrants directly regarding domain renewals. This is part of ICANN's policies.

In Wayne's comment, he is merely pointing out the fact that as a reseller, the registrar tag will not reflect the resellers name, but in fact reflect the registrars name. He is not specifically stating that the Registrar line will display specifically Domains.co.za.
 
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