Moving back to SA

JungleBoy said:
But that is CT...they can get 4 seasons all in one day :D
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It was cold all the way from CT to Stellenbosch. And it rained in Stellenbosch. Not on the same day, btw. It's meant to be hot and dry.

Anyway, my point is, you get bad weather anywhere.
 
koffiejunkie said:
It was cold all the way from CT to Stellenbosch. And it rained in Stellenbosch. Not on the same day, btw. It's meant to be hot and dry.

Anyway, my point is, you get bad weather anywhere.
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I actually like the weather in the south east of England. It's not as dry as Johburg. I think a lot of people don't realise how big the UK really is. The south east is quite mild. I prefer the winter here over Cape Town. I prefer Cape Town summers though. I can't think of any season in Johburg which is nice.

Btw, I am from Johburg. If Cape Town had a half decent economy I probably would have moved there instead of the UK :) 19th century economy and the fact that's predominantly Afrikaans was a deal breaker :)
 
zippy said:
I actually like the weather in the south east of England. It's not as dry as Johburg. I think a lot of people don't realise how big the UK really is. The south east is quite mild. I prefer the winter here over Cape Town.
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I prefer the winter here over any place in S.A. Mostly because houses are equipped with proper insulation. I don't even need to turn the heating on - the house never drops below about 19 ᵒC.

zippy said:
I can't think of any season in Johburg which is nice.
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Summers in Jo'burg are great! Warm days, with refreshing afternoon showers and proper thunder and lightning. Thunderstorms is probably the thing I miss most about S.A.

zippy said:
Btw, I am from Johburg. If Cape Town had a half decent economy I probably would have moved there instead of the UK :) 19th century economy and the fact that's predominantly Afrikaans was a deal breaker :)
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What's wrong with Afrikaans? :confused:
 
koffiejunkie said:
I prefer the winter here over any place in S.A. Mostly because houses are equipped with proper insulation. I don't even need to turn the heating on - the house never drops below about 19 ᵒC.
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Depends whether you stay somewhere that has been modernised. Many homes are not built for the weather. They do usually have built-in heating at the very least though.

abzo said:
Nope, I haven't tried. But I do know of alot of people that have left, family included. Where then? the US?
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The recession has had an impact, but Australia, Canada and the UK were all pretty easy to get into previously as long as you had a qualification, some experience and could speak English. US works on a different system, and their intake has also been impacted by the recession. Europe is also an option if you have skills, but again the recession has taken a bite out demand.

Safferbeauty said:
Well I lived in U for 3.5 years and I do not regret coming back. Best decision I ever made. I hated living in UK. Hell hole, in my opion and deffinitely not a place to bring children into the world, in my opinion. Rudest bunch of kids I ever met was in UK. If you ever had to leave country best go to NZL but SA no 1!!!!!!!!!!!
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I like the strong attitude of the UK children. I wouldn't really want to live in London though. The tube's cool, but I wouldn't want to have to ride the thing everyday. I'd definitely never want to live in New Zealand.

koffiejunkie said:
The weather is not always crap. In fact, the summer has been mostly sunny. And the days are longer. So, more sunshine. At the same time, when I was in the Cape (between Stellenbosch and Cape Town) in December, it was 15 ᵒC in the middle of the freakin day and it rained.
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I look forward to those days. Nothing beats a nice cold, rainy day between all those hot days in summer. Had some nice downpours in the UK over summer too.
 
noxibox said:
Depends whether you stay somewhere that has been modernised. Many homes are not built for the weather. They do usually have built-in heating at the very least though.
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But you have the choice - you don't have to move into a place that doesn't have good insulation and a modern heating system. Those are not a rarity.
 
noxibox said:
No-one's being punished. There's plenty of opportunity for educated white people in South Africa. But my children are beneficiaries of Apartheid because I am still more privileged than most black people due to being white, so they'll have no reason for complaint.
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+1
Well said! That's something many white people fail to see.

It's always sad to see skilled (mostly white) South Africans leave, but I suppose it is inevitable. Understandably, people want a high quality of life. Countries that offer the best quality of life are countries such as all the Scandinavian countries, NZ, Australia, etc. South Africa is not the worst country to live in, but compared to the countries I mentioned above, it is in most cases an unstable, stressful and in some cases a dangerous country to live in.

If someone wants to emigrate, I usually advice them to leave as it has sort of become a trend for skilled people to emigrate. And besides, if they stay then they will not be happy here. They will always be negative and become professional moaners/complainers.
 
noxibox said:
No-one's being punished. There's plenty of opportunity for educated white people in South Africa. But my children are beneficiaries of Apartheid because I am still more privileged than most black people due to being white, so they'll have no reason for complaint.
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It's an interesting argument, and I don't disagree with you. There are definitely lots of opportunities in S.A.

BUT:

Let's not pretend that the BEE/AA and related policies don't sometimes filter out people who has the means and skill to do a particular job. I cringe when I read about white kids who are denied entry to university despite having good enough matric results and the financial means. Don't get me wrong, the solution is often to just go to another university - there's always space somewhere. But having to travel to a different city/town, pay for accommodation, food etc, when you could have stayed with your parents and studied in the town you grew up in, often *is* the difference between being able to study and not being able to afford it. It seems counter productive and short sighted to force this choice on people, when a better solution would be for govt to increase the subsidies to universities to so that they can cope with a larger number of students.
 
noxibox said:
No-one's being punished. There's plenty of opportunity for educated white people in South Africa. But my children are beneficiaries of Apartheid because I am still more privileged than most black people due to being white, so they'll have no reason for complaint.
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This is so sad it wants to make me cry. How can you decide its oke to dicriminate against your children
 
All I can say is that people who have never lived (not a vacation) in a functional country, do not have the experience or the knowledge of how pleasant it can be, when society & government functions as it should.

South Africa has a very dysfunctional society and government, but the people here do not realise it, as it is all that they know.

If you are an individual who has high standards, and someone who enjoys an academic or intellectual slant on life, then South Africa will disappoint.

South Africa will remain a political hotspot for decades to come. Why do I say this ?

- very high rate of academic failure
- indoctrination continues by the ruling party
- corruption and theft in government
- hatred/dislike towards whites will eventually extend/shift or will re-focus with hatred for Coloured and Indians and foreigners (because whites as a minority are shrinking to the point when Coloured and Indian minority groups are bigger groups.)
- the masses of unemployed want the jobs they are not educated for and will hold it against those who studied and got the job
- public transport is unreliable, often dangerous and limits the movement of citizens in the country
- the whole country locks down after dark out of fear of crime
- many parks, picnic spots, hiking trails, dams, seaside & river spots - the fantastic outdoor style is no longer safely accessible due to criminal activity

Make no mistake, you are not wanted here, and if have you a choice to leave or stay, remember that if you choose to stay, as a white - you will always have a target sign on your chest, and always be referred to as a racist white, whether you are racist or not, because that it the nature of living in South Africa.

It you can live with a constant level of abuse, lowering of standards and a general population and government who despise your race, then take good care of yourself and be careful, because this is a dangerous country on a slippery slope to eventual economic failure.
 
wrathex said:
Make no mistake, you are not wanted here, and if have you a choice to leave or stay, remember that if you choose to stay, as a white - you will always have a target sign on your chest, and always be referred to as a racist white, whether you are racist or not, because that it the nature of living in South Africa.

It you can live with a constant level of abuse, lowering of standards and a general population and government who despise your race, then take good care of yourself and be careful, because this is a dangerous country on a slippery slope to eventual economic failure.
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Complete nonsense. Try spending some time off News24/IOL/CA.
 
Sly21C said:
+1
Well said! That's something many white people fail to see.

It's always sad to see skilled (mostly white) South Africans leave, but I suppose it is inevitable. Understandably, people want a high quality of life. Countries that offer the best quality of life are countries such as all the Scandinavian countries, NZ, Australia, etc. South Africa is not the worst country to live in, but compared to the countries I mentioned above, it is in most cases an unstable, stressful and in some cases a dangerous country to live in.

If someone wants to emigrate, I usually advice them to leave as it has sort of become a trend for skilled people to emigrate. And besides, if they stay then they will not be happy here. They will always be negative and become professional moaners/complainers.
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Why can't our children have all the rights available to others? Since you aren't white, you have nothing to complain about since it's all given to you on a plate.
 
Most people I know who went abroad are now back. Welcome back!

Ive been to many countries, real 3rd world countries, and South Africa is pretty good. Nothing I have seen can beat the quality of life I have here. You know a South African has not travelled when they think SA is 3rd world. They need to go to a real 3rd world country to get a wake up call. South Africa is 2nd world and a fantastic place to live. Better weather, better woman, better food than most places in the world, and easy as heck to make money if you are skilled labor.
 
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