MTN 3G released! See Rates.

Cell C dont have it yet, I heard that they will by december but I dont think that is true. Cell C is a joke
 
ScrnScrm said:
Well they have never been the only 3G provider! What about Sentech MyWireless and WBS iBurst?

Agreed. I also find it fascinating the preoccupation with 'who was first with 3G'. The more interesting issues are around who is providing the best customer services on data and broadband.

EDGE is still providing the most important service by coverage and sheer number of users
 
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MTNBroadband said:
Agreed. I also find it fascinating the preoccupation with 'who was first with 3G'. The more interesting issues are around who is providing the best customer services on data and broadband.

EDGE is still providing the most important service by coverage and sheer number of users

Absolutely.... I was merely making a point about advertising as jpretorius was trying to do....

As an aside, I have found that the 3G performance I have been getting (at Bruma) has dropped of considerably. about 3 weeks ago it was in exces off 300Kb/s, now it's down to about 170....
 
MTNBroadband - you led us to believe that the EDGE coverage was good. That's not what the map says on your site. It's actually crappy.
 
mc721221 said:
MTNBroadband - you led us to believe that the EDGE coverage was good. That's not what the map says on your site. It's actually crappy.

Define crappy, seeing as though you're on your high horse again...
 
MTNBroadband said:
Decotey, I'm not sure your comments are fully true. I personally have been involved in a number of first steps with higher data speeds. We launched HSCSD which offered 57 600 kbps as far back as 2000. Our original circuit-switched RAS service used to cost 68c/minute (34c off peak) which was way below anything else. We launched GPRS first by quite some margin and also took the coverage national. Soon after that consultants worked with a very big financial house in Cape Town and showed that their staff got the best performance and value from our GPRS compared to anything else on the market at the time. We launched MTN ICE as the first mobile lifestyle portal and judging from international conferences were ahead of the pack internationally with that. For consumers, we revamped that with MTNLoaded last year and now have over 1.3 million active subscribers. We chose to launch EDGE as our first step in broadband because it was stable and had high handset penetration already and that has shown itself in our annual results with our relatively higher data revenue growth. For corporates we launched Corporate Mobility at the beginning of last year which brought the data tariffs down to R10 (well below prices at the time) and this product is still pumping and is certainly a leader in this market. Our data services changed the landscape of point-of-sale electronic transactions completely. When we introduced our traffic cameras they reached a million hits per month quite rapidly. Our data bundle of R499 for the add-on I still believe is the cheapest GSM service in the world. How else can one get such extensive data access in South Africa with the combination of speed versus coverage etc etc etc.

MTNBB, while I appreciate your patriotism to MTN, it'd be dangerous to make marketing type claims on this forum, forumites being the educated bunch they are :D

As you would have noticed, there are a few forumites with extensive insight into both networks.

A few corrections to some of the claims you've made:

1) Vodacom's camera service was actually available before MTN. It was not marketed though due, as you've stated yourself, the service had to be tested first before being made commercially available.

2) Vodacom has 100% GPRS coverage (MTN keeps on claiming they're the only one with 100% GPRS coverage) and a very large EDGE base already.

3) MTN claim they're the only network that can seamless switch between GPRS, EDGE and 3G. How do you get to this? Are you saying Vodacom can't. They can.

4) At R499/month MTN's 1Gb package is the cheapest 1Gb package available. However if you really want to compare apples with apples, you should compare the MTN contract that includes a data card with Vodacom's 1G offering. Here MTN is actually more expensive than Vodacom, i.e. R649 vs. R599.

5) Are you sure MTN is the cheapest in the world? I know of at least one country that's less expensive than South Africa.

6) Vodacom and MTN has about the same EDGE penetration with each at ~300K handsets.

Vodacom currently has ~1000 3G towers and about the same number on EDGE, according to them. What are the MTN numbers?

Not trying to start a flamewar. Just some facts.

PS. I don't work for Vodacom but do have some insight into both networks.
 
Neo

Are you sure the Vodacom network support EDGE? I will have to look it up but I am sure I have seen many articles where Vodacom said they are skipping EDGE and are going straight to 3G. Could not find anything about EDGE on their web site.
 
Sorry Neo

But you say you have a insight into both networks. Please check your references to VC having EDGE? I think they are very short on that at the moment. And unless I am mistaken, VC does not have 100% GPRS coverage. MTN can claim to switch seemlessly between 3G & EDGE & GPRS, however the 3G has not been officially launched and VC has not launched their EDGE. So a bit of poetic liscence from both of them.




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few corrections to some of the claims you've made:

1) Vodacom's camera service was actually available before MTN. It was not marketed though due, as you've stated yourself, the service had to be tested first before being made commercially available.

2) Vodacom has 100% GPRS coverage (MTN keeps on claiming they're the only one with 100% GPRS coverage) and a very large EDGE base already.

3) MTN claim they're the only network that can seamless switch between GPRS, EDGE and 3G. How do you get to this? Are you saying Vodacom can't. They can.

4) At R499/month MTN's 1Gb package is the cheapest 1Gb package available. However if you really want to compare apples with apples, you should compare the MTN contract that includes a data card with Vodacom's 1G offering. Here MTN is actually more expensive than Vodacom, i.e. R649 vs. R599.

5) Are you sure MTN is the cheapest in the world? I know of at least one country that's less expensive than South Africa.

6) Vodacom and MTN has about the same EDGE penetration with each at ~300K handsets.

Vodacom currently has ~1000 3G towers and about the same number on EDGE, according to them. What are the MTN numbers?

Not trying to start a flamewar. Just some facts.

PS. I don't work for Vodacom but do have some insight into both networks.
 
rehd, I know for a fact that portions of the Vodacom network is EDGE enabled. The Western Cape, for example, has got a few hundred towers up and running. I've personally attached to them via EDGE.

Why Vodacom does not market the fact, I can't quite grasp. When I asked them this they said that for them the EDGE rollout is more of an operational upgrade, just like the CS3/4 implementation, so they're not making a big fuss about it.

If Vodacom is 100% GPRS enabled, or not, I guess is a case of he-said, she-said. Vodacom emphatically state they are 100% GPRS covered.

Why if MTN says they've got 100% GPRS coverage everyone believes them but when Vodacom makes a similar statement we question it?

Maybe if someone can give a cell-id of a cell that's not?

I'd like to see the number of MTN EDGE and 3G towers. MTNBB?
 
I am happy to substantiate any of the claims I have made on this thread because I have been personally involved and over time in some of the strategy and the milestones.

Our traffic cameras (Jamcams) went live in 2002 for 'testing' and were on MTNICE in 2003. Our MMS traffic pictures via USSD came out soon after and even before MMS was commercial. Live video traffic was demo'd to the public at our MTNBroadband demo last June, on SABC, at our annual results.We got the idea from staff wanting to check traffic before they went home and we were lent a camera from the supplier (Axis) to get going. One of my colleagues bought 30m of LAN cable out of his own pocket to run down the Buccleugh tower and we stood at the bottom with our notebooks doing the first positioning. Real pioneering stuff which really makes it fun to come to work. Our link to the *123# menu was also an innovation from our USSD team and certainly. We didn't spend anything so we minimised the paperwork required to get the system going until after it was approved. After the uptake of our MMS pictures started to soar it was easy to prove the case.
 
rehd said:
Sorry Neo

But you say you have a insight into both networks. Please check your references to VC having EDGE? I think they are very short on that at the moment. And unless I am mistaken, VC does not have 100% GPRS coverage. MTN can claim to switch seemlessly between 3G & EDGE & GPRS, however the 3G has not been officially launched and VC has not launched their EDGE. So a bit of poetic liscence from both of them.

I just wanted to pick up on one point here. MTN's 3G is now officially and commercially launched (26 June).
 
A reply to Tahir's (thankfully deleted) post:
The only thing on fire is Vodacom's inability to match EDGE's coverage and
upload speeds. Fact is that Vodacom's 3G coverage is pathetic.
EDGE is basically available in all major areas, and when the combo
GPRS/EDGE/3G cards become readily available, Vodacom's game is over
as they simply can't compete, and can't afford to expand 3G to cover
ALL areas.
Maybe that's the real reason you (A Vodacom Agent) constantly and
desperately insist on trashing EDGE and MTN on Myadsl.
 
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Tahir, I warned you. Please desist from such irritating comments in future, otherwise I have to delete further posts of this kind....
 
Change to 3g

Hi MTNBB,
I upgraded recently (3 months ago)....
I want to make use of the new 3g Offering...but you don't allow me.

MTN SP says I must take out a new contract....
I use GPRS to surf the net and I think 3G will fir me very well, but taking out another contract would not do...

Any advice how I can go about?
I am willing to pay an extra bit of $$ to stay on current contract and swop phones or whatever is avaialbe to do...

Manne
 
I have a question for mtnbb,I have the Sony Ericsson Z800i,does it support edge and when will it be available (3g) in Polokwane?
 
Celemasiko said:
Tahir, I warned you. Please desist from such irritating comments in future, otherwise I have to delete further posts of this kind....
I see you are from Toti.MTN has no 3G coverage on the South coast but Voda has.Toti has 3 3G live sites
 
M Venter said:
I have a question for mtnbb,I have the Sony Ericsson Z800i,does it support edge and when will it be available (3g) in Polokwane?
Huh the Z800i does not support EDGE.If you buy a 3G phone it will not support EDGE.
 
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