MTN - the real truth be told

marvinFM

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So..I am not an active Mybroadband contributor, but I felt it the best place to have my say. I chose to do this because there is sadly not nearly enough negative press about MTN, and how they manage to keep their subscriber base is beyond me.

Roughly halfway through the year last year my contract with Vodacom expired. I had been with Vodacom for almost 20 years, but a few things made me reconsider MTN as an alternative provider. The primary reason was what google says, and in relation to vodacom there was very little negative press. Second reason was whenever I was in a remote location (and I do find myself in some remote locations) my vodacom would be struggling to get a signal, but the MTN users would be blazing away. Add this to some of the frustrations i was having with vodacom administration I decided to make the big move and switch providers. So I cancelled, and when I didnt even get a courtesy call from Vodacom thanking me for my 20 years of support I thought "good riddance!". (Retrospectively, maybe they don't because they know they will see us all back again 2 years time)....and so began my time as a MTN subscriber.

From day 1 the first thing I noticed was signal was not that great at the office, but after a bit of investigation it revealed that there was some restructure and I dismissed it briefly...but that just never improved, so I started physically monitoring signal strength using an app called "GSM Field test" which basically plots signal strength on a map and gives you visual representation and actual raw data to analyse. The results were mind blowing. Arguably where I live in the bustling metropolis of incompetence that is Pietermaritzburg is no major centre, but it is still a primary city in South Africa and in fact the capital of the province - so you would expect some quality control. This is not the case. I have never in my life (even back in the early days of cellular in the 90's) been forced to have to physically get up off my chair and step outside in order to be able to receive and make calls...but this is now a reality. This is also not a personal opinion of signal strength but a real fact and this is how my signal in my home environment actually looks:

Office desk: on average -95 to -100 dbm
Office optimal signal: on average -90 to -95 dbm
Home: -90 to -95 dbm

a guide for these is as follows:
-105 to -100 = Bad/drop call
-99 to -90 = Getting bad/signal may break up
-89 to -80 = OK/shouldn't have problems, but maybe
-79 to -65 = Good
Over -65 = Excellent

After looking at this is started recording my outside environment and since I travel regularly to durban I started with the durban office which ranges from -89 to -100 dbm. The N3 between pieterermaritzburg and durban has massive areas of over -105dbm (in lengths of over 10km) where making a call is impossible. This on one of the busiest sections of road in the country. As you as you progress outside of the main centre there are areas like the Karkloof and Balgowen in the midlands where there is NO SIGNAL at all - massive tracts of lands with zero connectivity - as is what I experienced on a trip up to Kosi Bay, where massive sections of the N2 (another busy highway) is just unserviced.

Cartographically - this is what it looks like
n2_n3.jpg


and in durban
durban.jpg


I though this may be isolated to KZN...but alas I have the same issues in Johannessburg too. I was recently in Jhb for a training session and between the place I was staying in Blairgowrie (-90 or worse) and the training centre in Bryanston (-85 to -105 dependant on where you were) I was ready to tear my hair out.

I have not even started on the issues of data as I can be dead still and watch my indicator change from 4G to HSDPA to Edge in the matter of seconds!

The real kicker though is the frustration I am having with my phone. I have an LG G3 which has a known hardware failure where it just reboots itself (grrrr...and another thread entirely) but after much investigation it is apparently related to the carrier, and it seems related to either lack of connectivity or continuous switching (the internet jury is still out on this debate). So if you have a G3 are on MTN and you experience this problem..you know why

So my answer to all is if you are considering MTN - stay clear away from...they are not worth the effort or time for consideration. Vodacom, with all their administration frustrations and price increases still beat the socks of MTN

I would actually be interested to see other peoples outputs from GSM Field Test from other parts of the country...I bet the answer will be the same. My guess is that over time MTN has simply flattened out their big piece of dough and while they can try claim extensive coverage its either thin or full of holes.

Thanks for hearing me out
 
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Strange, I can understand your frustration but I have personally never ever had issues with mtn and when my crapberry broke, its not their fault but they did what they could. MTN have been awesome over the last nearly 10 years and I won't change now
 
Strange, I can understand your frustration but I have personally never ever had issues with mtn and when my crapberry broke, its not their fault but they did what they could. MTN have been awesome over the last nearly 10 years and I won't change now

I agree. Been with MTN from the start of Cell phones in SA. I had one Rep that insisted on Vodacom because they had better reception in his area. When I was with him on one occasion, he was walking to the top of a hillock to get reception when my MTN phone was fully connected.

Has the OP checked with another phone?
 
I think the best idea when you want to switch networks is to first test the new network with a prepaid sim.
 
I agree. Been with MTN from the start of Cell phones in SA. I had one Rep that insisted on Vodacom because they had better reception in his area. When I was with him on one occasion, he was walking to the top of a hillock to get reception when my MTN phone was fully connected.

Has the OP checked with another phone?

absolutely...business partner has equally bad reception, and in fact everyone I have asked has had ghastly coverage. I cant say its a KZN only thing because as i said I have had same problems in Gauteng. Might be worthwhile to have some Feedback from other LG G3 MTN subscribers...but never in my life (with numerous different handsets) have I experienced such terrible connectivity (as the maps show) - so much so that I cannot honestly believe that its all down to a handset. What I will do, is stick my sim in a nokia lumia I have lying around and find some similar windows phone app (oh joys) to record some of the areas...or maybe I'll just reclaim my old s3 from my daughter for an afternoon
 
I ported just under a month ago from MTN to Telkom Mobile because I'd been having lots of poor signal issues recently.
WORST MISTAKE OF MY LIFE (as far as cellphones go at least).

I live in what is shown on Telkom's map as perfect signal and still I lose network on a daily basis.. and the phone spends more time finding other networks (that I can't use anyway) like Cell C and Vodacom (instead of going to MTN as it "should").

So after 12 years of the same number I will be forced to change numbers because I cannot put up with this for another 2+ months...

As marvinFM above said, "i honestly did not think it would be soooo bad " (except we're talking about different networks!)
 
I just checked Vodacom and MTN where I work (at Vodacom Midrand). VC gets a stable -85dbm while MTN ranges between -71 and -99
(btw, this app has a glaring shortcoming if you have a dual sim phone...)

Even when the MTN signal is at -71 it is still basically useless and when it isn't, it is still slower than VC. Granted this is at VC headquarters so one would expect their network to have superior quality here (and with a reading of -85, I guess that isn't saying much).

I suspect things will look a bit different at my house (Pretoria) where MTN is stable and usable but VC drops my calls on a regular basis.
 
I just checked Vodacom and MTN where I work (at Vodacom Midrand). VC gets a stable -85dbm while MTN ranges between -71 and -99
(btw, this app has a glaring shortcoming if you have a dual sim phone...)

Even when the MTN signal is at -71 it is still basically useless and when it isn't, it is still slower than VC. Granted this is at VC headquarters so one would expect their network to have superior quality here (and with a reading of -85, I guess that isn't saying much).

I suspect things will look a bit different at my house (Pretoria) where MTN is stable and usable but VC drops my calls on a regular basis.

see...i think this is their primary issue...you get major variations without even moving....unless you are honesly on a fringe zone you should not be going from excellent signal to -99 where you can hardly make a call. And this is not the first case I have seen of this.

so that means your phone is constantly switching towers - which does not make sense - or ...their signal strength at a tower is fluctuating and causing that or causing you to switch towers
 
Sorry man, I haven't read your issue but MTN are c%$#s of note. You will see why in a new forum post here.
 
I have a LG G3 and it is the best phone that I have ever had, no reboots and great reception.

But I do have the D858 Dual Sim which is a bit newer than the standard LG G3.
 
I have a LG G3 and it is the best phone that I have ever had, no reboots and great reception.

But I do have the D858 Dual Sim which is a bit newer than the standard LG G3.

on MTN?

i have an earlier version G3 which has the reboot problem (7th and 8th character in the IMEI 06)
 
I just checked Vodacom and MTN where I work (at Vodacom Midrand). VC gets a stable -85dbm while MTN ranges between -71 and -99
(btw, this app has a glaring shortcoming if you have a dual sim phone...)

Even when the MTN signal is at -71 it is still basically useless and when it isn't, it is still slower than VC. Granted this is at VC headquarters so one would expect their network to have superior quality here (and with a reading of -85, I guess that isn't saying much).

I suspect things will look a bit different at my house (Pretoria) where MTN is stable and usable but VC drops my calls on a regular basis.

In the app description it says:
If you are using a dual SIM device the app will work only with the SIM inserted in the first slot.
They seem not to want to support dual SIMs.

EDIT: To add from their website:
GSM Field Test said:
FAQ

Q: Why does the app work incorrectly on Dual SIM phones?
A: Android provides data only about the SIM plugged into the first slot.

I'm going to use the app and track CellC here in Cape Town, from Table View/Blouberg to town then GW -> century city and home again tomorrow.
Will be interesting.

BTW, for others, direct link to app: GSM Field Test , note this is the free version.
 
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Yes- that was what I was referring to. It's a schlep changing sim cards when switching between them via a software setting would be so much easier.
 
Just to add to the pie. Hopefully someone with any knowhow or clout at MTN read these sorts of things.

4G reception in the Fourways/Lonehill/Beverley area has been declining slowly but steadily. From full bars consistently and fluid performance in the beginning to what is now sometimes a gamble, hops between 1-5 bars whenever it feels like and connectivity times out now and then. This after their supposed network upgrades. I stay in a loft unit high up with LOS to two towers so if I am noticing this I feel sorry for the people on the ground.

Someone who uses 20gig of mobile data a month is quite sensitive to its performance :)
 
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on MTN?

i have an earlier version G3 which has the reboot problem (7th and 8th character in the IMEI 06)

The voice sim is Vodacom and the data sim is MTN (Afrihost).

(7th and 8th character in the IMEI is also 06 - for both sims)
 
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