Munich council: To hell with Linux, we're going full Windows in 2020

Moosedrool said:
Ugh companies should be moving rapidly to vdi and vms anyway. This whole I don't want to use linux on my laptop/desktop is simply cause you want to do other shyte on it than work.

If you work on office excel log into the vdi that has ms excel etc...

Large enterprises are moving billions to virtualise and saving billions on the licensing and support costs.

Also licensing hundreds of dns servers with windows server is dumb and is part of the reason why linux thrives. The GPL's work out way cheaper.
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I don't understand your post. VDI costs MORE from a licensing point - not less. Licensing VDI is very expensive because on top of you standard desktop CAL (which covers a PC, VM and more), you also need to buy RDS CALs for accessing the VDIs using remote desktop services. On top of that, you most likely need to pay a licensing fee for the VDI vendor. Any possible savings are from endpoint hardware - the ability to purchase dumb terminals or have users bring their own computers and connect to the VDI, but from a licensing standpoint it wouldn't cost anything extra to have a PC running Windows instead of a dumb terminal.

Most companies don't license individual servers. They will license physical servers and run unlimited VMs under there. It therefore doesn't matter what workloads they choose to run on Windows.
 
Support on non Windows platforms cost more. It is a know fact. There are plenty more Windows professionals around than those playing with free software.
 
Rouxenator said:
Support on non Windows platforms cost more. It is a know fact. There are plenty more Windows professionals around than those playing with free software.
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Who said it was necessarily free?

There are plenty of commercial options.
 
BigAl-sa said:
The real front end too, your phone for instance.

At the moment, there are probably more *nix devices connected to the Internet than any other os.
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And my "probably" is probably more statistically researchable than the cost of linux techs...

Windows techs are horrifically expensive and often work like motor mechanics - replace the offending software/upgrade the os.
 
me_ said:
I don't understand your post. VDI costs MORE from a licensing point - not less. Licensing VDI is very expensive because on top of you standard desktop CAL (which covers a PC, VM and more), you also need to buy RDS CALs for accessing the VDIs using remote desktop services. On top of that, you most likely need to pay a licensing fee for the VDI vendor. Any possible savings are from endpoint hardware - the ability to purchase dumb terminals or have users bring their own computers and connect to the VDI, but from a licensing standpoint it wouldn't cost anything extra to have a PC running Windows instead of a dumb terminal.
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You have to know how to do layered licensing. ;) Also RDS cals... Regardless of the hundreds of dumbasses online you only need it when using RDS such as Microsoft Remote Desktop and Cytrix. VMware horizon and or Vshpere is compliant without it though you pay their 3rd party access license fees for stuff like VMware view which is not as vaguely put as Microsofts documentation. It's no surprise why Microsoft keeps their documents nearly useless for their virtualisation solutions because they know their not the best nor the cheapest. The licensing words you're looking for is VDA or SA Software Assurance approved machines. SA is free and is packaged with oem windows operating systems.

K so licensing.... Look at the VDA: $100 a year per physical machine connecting remotely. Enterprises here at least has a tendency to remain 1 version behind for 2 years minimum but still upgrade as frequently as Microsoft. That's around a 3 to 4 year server licenses now since windows 10 is the last desktop version. Do the math at the current rate R4 299,00 for pro. See... And remember SA is free for laptop users with oem windows 10. Now you have a datacenter...

Yay.

With the proper application of this:

You can manage storage more efficiently, Backups more efficiently, electricity more efficiently, IT tech support... What it tech support? the techie that replaces your cheap ass terminal? Your licenses are all managed in a ridiculously effective database and your environment has next to 0% downtime keeping an SLA requirement of lets say 99% uptime in tact.

Alright now what about Vsphere or VMware horizon licensing for vcenter and such. That is your top level datacenter structure and vcenter connects to esxi 6.5 which you'll need. Remember you can now host all your server requirements on it except vcenter but hell you can virtualise vcenter on its own environment depending on the size of your enterprise. The licensing and hardware costs for adding a windows server on vsphere is way cheaper than buying a server who is always gonna be much faster than it needs to be to your enterprise.

With the correct management solution in place this saves companies such as banks and even giant engineering firms in the long run millions. Honeywell was recently part of a 3.4 billion US$ project to implement exactly this.

Do you really think these guys are doing it just because? Without trying to improve efficiency at reduce costs?

Or do you think you might have looked at it completely wrong? :p

The other issue is it is simply the way to go because these technologies also become cheaper as solutions as the time goes by and it is becoming a standard for services companies wants to keep in house.

me_ said:
Most companies don't license individual servers. They will license physical servers and run unlimited VMs under there. It therefore doesn't matter what workloads they choose to run on Windows.
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Re-read the server licensing from Microsoft. ;) Also why the F would you run hundreds of dns servers from one site? since that was my comment about linux specifically.
 
BigAl-sa said:
The real front end too, your phone for instance.

At the moment, there are probably more *nix devices connected to the Internet than any other os.
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All windoze does for the internets is show us pichers on bigger screnz than your fonez.
 
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BigAl-sa said:
The real front end too, your phone for instance.

At the moment, there are probably more *nix devices connected to the Internet than any other os.
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Spin it how you want, Linux as a desktop OS for any large corporation is a fckup.
 
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