Musicians' thread.

tsume said:
Thanks.

On the talking of using loops as to why it's done, but when you watch commercials must of the music are just loops. I remember some years back a popular producer at the time made a track for a singer using nothing but GarageBand loops without changing the way they even sound, it was quite controversial since you have someone who probably charges $50K for a song and you could've gotten the same song from someone just sitting infront of a computer.

Sidenote: When I started producing (err 2003), I started with eJay which all my songs where just loops (except for the odd one out), but I can say that I took from eJay the knowledge on how to put a song together
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My main issue with loops is I personally don't see the point in making your own music unless you are making your own music. :p

It is a perfectly fine place to start and I suspect most people do. I am just stupidly stubborn when it comes to stuff like this.
 
nihilist said:
Well you only have to hear the quality of Guitar Rig with well crafted patches to rule out any "emulation is silly" debates, sure it's not the real thing but I've heard some stellar results from it, even softsynths driven through it are stunning. I'm not a purist in any way, I love the concept of plugging whatever into whatever and getting cool new sounds.

The great thing about technology today is that Joe Average can have a quality studio only dreamed of by people a few decades ago in their bedroom.
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The new guitar rig especially - since they (finally) added cabinet/speaker impulses in the form of reflektor - which is absolutely key to getting a good guitar sound out of an emulator.

my channel strip is something like:

magix vandal or amplitube for pedals
compression
Peavey revalver for the head / preamp section
guitar rig for Speaker / Cab impulses (usually a 3 mic setup with close, mid and far positions)
EQ
and various busses from there
 
copacetic said:
My main issue with loops is I personally don't see the point in making your own music unless you are making your own music. :p

It is a perfectly fine place to start and I suspect most people do. I am just stupidly stubborn when it comes to stuff like this.
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It depends, you could argue then that one should make their own guitar ;P OK I'm stretching this out of proportion but I think it really depends on the context and what the guy is intending. DJ's experiment with loops, segments of songs and often create entirely different forms of art with loops.
 
copacetic said:
My main issue with loops is I personally don't see the point in making your own music unless you are making your own music. :p

It is a perfectly fine place to start and I suspect most people do. I am just stupidly stubborn when it comes to stuff like this.
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loops are cool for mangling/slicing/recutting or sometimes just to kick off an idea. and for those of us in a hurry :-)
 
nihilist said:
It depends, you could argue then that one should make their own guitar ;P OK I'm stretching this out of proportion but I think it really depends on the context and what the guy is intending. DJ's experiment with loops, segments of songs and often create entirely different forms of art with loops.
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As I said, I am stupidly stubborn.

As you alluded to earlier, this new age of technology has really opened up a whole new world for the bedroom musician. By my logic I should be actually creating all my drum hits and sound effects, etc, etc, which just gets impractical at some point.

My biggest issue is with drum loops is that I am on a desperate quest to try and make beats that 'groove', now this is easy to do with loops, simply drop in a groovy loop, but much harder to figure out how to actually craft yourself. I want to know how it's done.
 
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copacetic said:
As I said, I am stupidly stubborn.

As you alluded to earlier, this new age of technology has really opened up a whole new world for the bedroom musician. By my logic I should be actually creating all my drum hits and sound effects, etc, etc, which just gets impractical at some point.

My biggest issue is with drum loops is that I am on a desperate quest to try and make beats that 'groove', now this is easy to do with loops, simply drop in a groovy loop, but much harder to figure out how to actually craft yourself. I want to know how it's done.
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Crafting drum tracks is dead easy, your best bet is to start humming and tapping with your fingures, slowing it down in your mind and start off with something basic and add some off-beat timing.

Another cool way to get to grips with writing beats is, get a loop you like, put it in a channel, then try to copy the pattern with your own samples and duplicate it, I haven't done this before, I just thought of it now.
 
nihilist said:
Crafting drum tracks is dead easy, your best bet is to start humming and tapping with your fingures, slowing it down in your mind and start off with something basic and add some off-beat timing.

Another cool way to get to grips with writing beats is, get a loop you like, put it in a channel, then try to copy the pattern with your own samples and duplicate it, I haven't done this before, I just thought of it now.
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I wouldn't go as far as to say it's dead easy - but yeah I learned by ripping/copying beats etc.. eventually i got a midi drum kit and a pad controller and try and play beats live now. Sometimes you need that tight sequenced sound though.
 
nihilist said:
Crafting drum tracks is dead easy, your best bet is to start humming and tapping with your fingures, slowing it down in your mind and start off with something basic and add some off-beat timing.

Another cool way to get to grips with writing beats is, get a loop you like, put it in a channel, then try to copy the pattern with your own samples and duplicate it, I haven't done this before, I just thought of it now.
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I have indeed tried the latter method. :p

Yeah, I guess I am just feeling very non-creative at the moment. It seems like trying to draw blood from a stone currently.
 
copacetic said:
I have indeed tried the latter method. :p

Yeah, I guess I am just feeling very non-creative at the moment. It seems like trying to draw blood from a stone currently.
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Hence why I've been enjoying this thread, is getting the creative juices going.
 
copacetic said:
I have indeed tried the latter method. :p

Yeah, I guess I am just feeling very non-creative at the moment. It seems like trying to draw blood from a stone currently.
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perfect time to work on technical skills then - set yourself a goal - like learning how to rip a beat - or learn parallel compression etc.. it's not always just endlessly flowing creativity you know :-)
there's a lot of technical stuff you can learn while uninspired that will stand you in good stead when inspiration strikes.
 
assagai said:
perfect time to work on technical skills then - set yourself a goal - like learning how to rip a beat - or learn parallel compression etc.. it's not always just endlessly flowing creativity you know :-)
there's a lot of technical stuff you can learn while uninspired that will stand you in good stead when inspiration strikes.
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+1 for that. Another GREAT thing to keep you going is to do remixes. I used to do some stuff for Remix Wars, one of my tracks was on a compilation once, great fun - and really saved my self esteem when I didn't have the juices to write my own material. I also did a remix for CombiChrist, though wasn't put on their CD (was a sort of competition) but it was played at some overseas nightclub, a friend in the UK showed me the set list and I was totally blown away ;)
 
assagai said:
perfect time to work on technical skills then - set yourself a goal - like learning how to rip a beat - or learn parallel compression etc.. it's not always just endlessly flowing creativity you know :-)
there's a lot of technical stuff you can learn while uninspired that will stand you in good stead when inspiration strikes.
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That is the truth.
 
Forgot about this thread! Thanks to everyone who liked my track, much appreciated!

Now I have to go through 8 pages of posts and listen to everyone else's stuff, haha, excite!
I have some more music on this site http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/katphish/ and this one http://baptiste.bandcamp.com

The bandcamp one is a whole album of post rock, instrumental stuff, and the other is random songs I make whenever, if you would like a download link to the album just ask, I'll hook you up ;)

I want a midi keyboard so bad, and I need to get a proper soundcard. Soon, Christmas tiiiiiime :D
 
What annoys me is the cost of some VSTs I'd like to get. I'd love to get something like Trilogy Bass Module, but it's quite expensive. Are there no places on the internet (not eBay) that one can purchase legal second hand software?
 
uJochi said:
The bandcamp one is a whole album of post rock, instrumental stuff, and the other is andom songs I make whenever, if you would like a download link to the album just ask, I'll hook you up ;)
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SOLD! SEND SEND SEND!

I <3 post-rock :D
 
nihilist said:
What annoys me is the cost of some VSTs I'd like to get. I'd love to get something like Trilogy Bass Module, but it's quite expensive. Are there no places on the internet (not eBay) that one can purchase legal second hand software?
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you can try Gearslutz and KVR-vst for license transfer sales.

Thing is in all honesty trilian is an absolute bargain for what you get - and spectrasonics have the most awesome customer support! In fact i got trilian for FREE as an owner of trilogy on osx which wasn't supported. If there's a software company worth supporting, it's spectrasonics.
 
assagai said:
you can try Gearslutz and KVR-vst for license transfer sales.

Thing is in all honesty trilian is an absolute bargain for what you get - and spectrasonics have the most awesome customer support! In fact i got trilian for FREE as an owner of trilogy on osx which wasn't supported. If there's a software company worth supporting, it's spectrasonics.
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Thanks man :)
 
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