MWEB - Clearly too Big for their Boots!

FlatspinZA

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Here is the deal:

I am a computer services provider, which ranges from fixing poxy PC's, to setting up networks, deploying servers, designing (with a lot of help from content management systems) websites, hosting websites, point of sale systems, surveillance systems, and a whole bunch of other stuff that we PC guys normally get ourselves into to make ends meet.

A few months back a client of mine was battling with his Internet, and since he was on an over-subscribed Wimax solution, I suggested that he switch to Mweb, which he did. They have stolen a lot of the cables in our area, but for some reason, Telkom still keeps the backbone running. I am running on a wireless link to the DSL exchange approximately 1.2km away. My client sits at the exchange, less than 100m away, hence the reason he has no problem with cable theft.

He sat with me while I did the application online, using his crappy WiMax connection (if I recall correctly). Then he was bombarded with calls from Mweb. We couldn't determine his area using the online application because it wasn't listed, so I told him to use any one and clarify when they accepted the application.

Long story short:

1. We never received a username & password!

2. They wanted my client to fill out a form and FAX it to them to request a UN & PWD reset - which he declined to do (My client runs his own business and doesn't have time for BS).

3. At this point, the line was active, so in the interests of making my client happy, I created a Web Africa data services package for him on my WA account (Why did I recommend Mweb & not WA? Because I honestly don't give a toss, since I don't make any money off them anyway - my money comes from the actual labour I do!)

4. On the 7th of February, my client sent an email requesting that his services with Mweb be cancelled, and that he was prepared to pay the line rental charge until the end of February, but not the data services, since Mweb declined to provide a UN & PWD - a confirmation response from Mweb was received.

5. After much communication, and being billed right up until the end of May - for line rental, and data packages - I finally send a frustrated email to MWeb Guy (who is always extremely helpful, but I suspect he is dealing with the same levels of bureaucracy the rest of us are) detailing the situation. Well, a few PM's have been exchanged between us prior to this...

6. I get a call from a guy that speaks faster than a typewriter, and I REALLY have to pay attention: He explains that my client will be billed for the data services up until the end of March (we cancelled on the 7th of February), and the line rental up until the end of May (since I requested that they initiate the transfer at this time to ensure a smooth transfer of services, even though we requested cancellation of everything on the 7th of April).

7. Mweb rep was very forceful in determining that my client is at fault & they are being lenient. When we phoned technical support, they asked us to run the CD - what effing CD? I supplied the router, and we signed up online!

8. Mweb rep informed me that he would be screen-capping the signup process to elucidate the fact that my client and I, clearly, did not pay attention while we were signing up together, and sending me confirmation of the charges my client is liable for (even after he has already paid and Mweb sits with his money). Where the eff does he keep coming with "info@...." instead of "admin@...." when it clearly states my email address on the mail, even after correcting him at least twice? I am still waiting for the email, even though this was promised around about lunchtime.

I have been recommending ISP's for more than 15 years, without a single cent of compensation - oh, wait, Web Africa gave me some Gigfan points for my client's data services after I told them the additional data package on my account was only created because Mweb CBA to provide UN & PWD's.

I have reached the point where, because I am not getting paid to sort this crap out (since I feel it is my responsibility for recommending Mweb in the first place), that I am going to ACTIVELY change all my existing clients over to WA, so that I can earn Gigafan points, and ensure that my clients receive the attention they deserve!

I am going to refund my client any money that Mweb illicitly deducts from him, and make it up (and then some), in other ways. Just in case Mweb thinks I am some poxy little dealer in a nondescript location that won't affect anyone - think again: I live in between Polokwane & Tzaneen, and I have recently relocated from the Eastern Cape, where MANY of my previous clients and friends are using your service!

I think I will start with the 4Mbps uncapped connection I have, and have had for more than 2 years!

Rising to the same levels of disservice as Telkom can have been the only goal in this affair!

CPA anyone?
 
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After the line is activated by Telkom you should have called Mweb to get the details for the router setup. The password would have been the same password used in the initial client zone registration.

Not sure who was a fault here but maybe one side of this exchange was a bit impatient while explaining the situation.
 
Here is the deal:

I am a computer services provider, which ranges from fixing poxy PC's, to setting up networks, deploying servers, designing (with a lot of help from content management systems) websites, hosting websites, point of sale systems, surveillance systems, and a whole bunch of other stuff that we PC guys normally get ourselves into to make ends meet.

A few months back a client of mine was battling with his Internet, and since he was on an over-subscribed Wimax solution, I suggested that he switch to Mweb, which he did. They have stolen a lot of the cables in our area, but for some reason, Telkom still keeps the backbone running. I am running on a wireless link to the DSL exchange approximately 1.2km away. My client sits at the exchange, less than 100m away, hence the reason he has no problem with cable theft.

He sat with me while I did the application online, using his crappy WiMax connection (if I recall correctly). Then he was bombarded with calls from Mweb. We couldn't determine his area using the online application because it wasn't listed, so I told him to use any one and clarify when they accepted the application.

Long story short:

1. We never received a username & password!

2. They wanted my client to fill out a form and FAX it to them to request a UN & PWD reset - which he declined to do (My client runs his own business and doesn't have time for BS).

3. At this point, the line was active, so in the interests of making my client happy, I created a Web Africa data services package for him on my WA account (Why did I recommend Mweb & not WA? Because I honestly don't give a toss, since I don't make any money off them anyway - my money comes from the actual labour I do!)

4. On the 7th of February, my client sent an email requesting that his services with Mweb be cancelled, and that he was prepared to pay the line rental charge until the end of February, but not the data services, since Mweb declined to provide a UN & PWD - a confirmation response from Mweb was received.

5. After much communication, and being billed right up until the end of May - for line rental, and data packages - I finally send a frustrated email to MWeb Guy (who is always extremely helpful, but I suspect he is dealing with the same levels of bureaucracy the rest of us are) detailing the situation. Well, a few PM's have been exchanged between us prior to this...

6. I get a call from a guy that speaks faster than a typewriter, and I REALLY have to pay attention: He explains that my client will be billed for the data services up until the end of March (we cancelled on the 7th of February), and the line rental up until the end of May (since I requested that they initiate the transfer at this time to ensure a smooth transfer of services, even though we requested cancellation of everything on the 7th of April).

7. Mweb rep was very forceful in determining that my client is at fault & they are being lenient. When we phoned technical support, they asked us to run the CD - what effing CD? I supplied the router, and we signed up online!

8. Mweb rep informed me that he would be screen-capping the signup process to elucidate the fact that my client and I, clearly, did not pay attention while we were signing up together, and sending me confirmation of the charges my client is liable for (even after he has already paid and Mweb sits with his money). Where the eff does he keep coming with "info@...." instead of "admin@...." when it clearly states my email address on the mail, even after correcting him at least twice? I am still waiting for the email, even though this was promised around about lunchtime.

I have been recommending ISP's for more than 15 years, without a single cent of compensation - oh, wait, Web Africa gave me some Gigfan points for my client's data services after I told them the additional data package on my account was only created because Mweb CBA to provide UN & PWD's.

I have reached the point where, because I am not getting paid to sort this crap out (since I feel it is my responsibility for recommending Mweb in the first place), that I am going to ACTIVELY change all my existing clients over to WA, so that I can earn Gigafan points, and ensure that my clients receive the attention they deserve!

I am going to refund my client any money that Mweb illicitly deducts from him, and make it up (and then some), in other ways. Just in case Mweb thinks I am some poxy little dealer in a nondescript location that won't affect anyone - think again: I live in between Polokwane & Tzaneen, and I have recently relocated from the Eastern Cape, where MANY of my previous clients and friends are using your service!

I think I will start with the 4Mbps uncapped connection I have, and have had for more than 2 years!

Rising to the same levels of disservice as Telkom can have been the only goal in this affair!

CPA anyone?

I apologise for the service you have received.

When signing up did they ask for the customers ID number or contact number ?

If so send me those details and I will escalate this to our management department to investigate.
 
Seems like the last 3 months of hassle could have been negated by this point:
2. They wanted my client to fill out a form and FAX it to them to request a UN & PWD reset - which he declined to do (My client runs his own business and doesn't have time for BS).

Doesn't have time for BS or just expects you to wipe certain crevices for him?
 
I must say I'm glad to be rid of Mweb. I got around the ridiculous cancellation policy by downgrading to a 1GB capped account and then cancelling everything. Only cost R29 for the month I didn't want.
 
Seems like the last 3 months of hassle could have been negated by this point:
2. They wanted my client to fill out a form and FAX it to them to request a UN & PWD reset - which he declined to do (My client runs his own business and doesn't have time for BS).

Doesn't have time for BS or just expects you to wipe certain crevices for him?

This is 2013, and you don't see a problem with requesting a fax?
 
/start Off topic

A lot of SA companies require fax, a lot. It may be stupid but it's common practice basically.

/end Off topic
 
I had a similar experience with MWEB recently on behalf of a customer for email hosting. I found them to be completely unreasonable to deal with. Requested a new email address, supplied the password, but they decided to use their own. Then when it would not work, they needed me to do a password reset. That entailed faxing a request form with copies of IDs - I thought it was ludicrous.

I just could not believe that they would be so uncooperative. Moved customer to Hetzner and email setup was so easy.
 
the fax thing is stupid IMO. Its old I don't even own a fax machine anymore, and an email to fax solution costs you a fee where the otherway around its normally free. My personal viewpoint is MWEB has seriously went down ever since their previous CEO left, no more innovation and new products that Free The Web as they used to campaign. And the undersee redundancy issue (seacom break) a while a ago was not cool time to get more cables connected to your network look what afrihost is doing.
 
You lost it all at the part where you said "he doesn't have time for bs...."

Then everything went downhill.

You could have avoided it all by sticking your pride in your pocket and following procedure, but you decided otherwise. They have their process. Just like Multichoice. Just like your bank. Just like your cellular provider.

Sure thing faxes are not the norm for most end users, but in the corporate world it's still alive and kicking and used daily all around the country, from insurance, to finances and the list goes on.

The rest of your post is a rant because you lost your temper, because you are trying to reconcile your bad choices by making more bad choices. Suck it up.
 
You lost it all at the part where you said "he doesn't have time for bs...."

Then everything went downhill.

You could have avoided it all by sticking your pride in your pocket and following procedure, but you decided otherwise. They have their process. Just like Multichoice. Just like your bank. Just like your cellular provider.

Sure thing faxes are not the norm for most end users, but in the corporate world it's still alive and kicking and used daily all around the country, from insurance, to finances and the list goes on.

The rest of your post is a rant because you lost your temper, because you are trying to reconcile your bad choices by making more bad choices. Suck it up.

When you live in the bundus, as we do, finding a fax machine is not the easiest thing to do. Besides the fact that they have stolen most of the cables in the area, and very few people actually have the benefits of ADSL (Telkom has to keep their backbone & some people are close enough not to have had their lines stolen). This area consists mostly of hospitality concerns - guesthouses & restaurants (which is what my client owns) - having a fax machine is not high on the list of priorities.

According to the Mweb rep that phoned me two days ago, the username is supposed to SMS'ed to the client once the signup process is completed. I chose the password with my client, it is the same password he uses for everything. My client is adamant that he never received a username via SMS.

I honestly don't see why my client should pay for two months of data services when Mweb didn't send him a username originally.

I do lick my client's crevices, because that's how you stay in business & get recommendations. I don't have time to run around looking for fax machines -I am quite busy & believe in offering my clients good service.

Web Africa SMS'ed the login details the second I created the account - simple, brilliant service!
 
When you live in the bundus, as we do, finding a fax machine is not the easiest thing to do. Besides the fact that they have stolen most of the cables in the area, and very few people actually have the benefits of ADSL (Telkom has to keep their backbone & some people are close enough not to have had their lines stolen). This area consists mostly of hospitality concerns - guesthouses & restaurants (which is what my client owns) - having a fax machine is not high on the list of priorities.

According to the Mweb rep that phoned me two days ago, the username is supposed to SMS'ed to the client once the signup process is completed. I chose the password with my client, it is the same password he uses for everything. My client is adamant that he never received a username via SMS.

I honestly don't see why my client should pay for two months of data services when Mweb didn't send him a username originally.

I do lick my client's crevices, because that's how you stay in business & get recommendations. I don't have time to run around looking for fax machines -I am quite busy & believe in offering my clients good service.

Web Africa SMS'ed the login details the second I created the account - simple, brilliant service!

Ever heard of mail 2 fax and fax 2 mail? You have Internet access?
 
And, is there any logical reason I should sign up for a service just so I can send a fax to Mweb? Not one of my suppliers has ever asked me to send them a fax.

Same logical reason why AllanGray wants faxes?
Same logical reason why so many other companies want it? Discovery?

Head out of arse, pull pride and go with it or suffer. You want to suffer so don't complain about your stupidity :D
 
I am done with Mweb - I am not the one who is going to lose money over this. Problem solved - take my clients to companies that want their business!
 
Sorry, but I agree with Flatspin here: Sending faxes is bullschit.

Mweb needs to get with the program here...The pain in the crevice is simply too high to sign up, change password, or even cancel. (By fax, everything)
On the base of that alone I have begun signing up all my clients with Afrihost and WA for a much smoother ride.

Mweb must understand that IT guys recommend ISP's to their clients and if the signup is a pain in the crevice they'll rather choose the faster, easier option to get the job done asap and if the client forgets his password later on, effortlessly reset, log in and change it.
 
And, is there any logical reason I should sign up for a service just so I can send a fax to Mweb? Not one of my suppliers has ever asked me to send them a fax.

And when another company asks you for written comfirmation you are also gonna move. In this case I reckon the problem lies with you.
 
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