MWEB cuts ties over peering

MTN Business is as expensive as hell, they are a "business class" ISP. You should complain or move to someone who doesn't expect to be paid for peering.

There is a big new boy in the playground and he's picking on the bullies!
 
As far as I understand it:
Peering - free flow of information between two ISPs
Transit - one person has to pay the other for transit in his network
As I see it, big Tier 1 ISPs does not want to peer with smaller companies - as it will lose revenue stream (smaller ISPs need to pay for transit fees from bigger ISPs).
 
Bengalaas said:
Peering - free flow of information between two ISPs
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Yes, but exclusively traffic between these providers, no other 3rd party networks involved.

Bengalaas said:
Transit - one person has to pay the other for transit in his network
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More accurately, one person has to pay the other for transit through his network i.e. traffic to/from a 3rd party network.


I can use the OPs situation to illustrate (poor experience for MTN customer to content hosted on MWEB). This situation can be fixed using the above two;

a) Transit - since MTN doesnt want to connect to MWEB on equal terms, MWEB will have to (revert back to) purchasing expensive transit bandwidth from Telkom for the pleasure of giving the MTN customer speedy access to its network.

b) Peering - MTN & MWEB interconnect charge free at a peering point providing the MTN customer with speedy access to the MWEB network. Conversely MWEB's customers also benefit from speedy access to MTN's network, basically a win-win situation.
 
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This is all great and whatnot, but MWEB needs to make sure their alternate routes work. I had to log onto my backup Afrihost account this morning so I could actually read some local websites and work on local servers without my connections timing out, or not opening at all.
 
Seeyou said:
This is all great and whatnot, but MWEB needs to make sure their alternate routes work. I had to log onto my backup Afrihost account this morning so I could actually read some local websites and work on local servers without my connections timing out, or not opening at all.
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A lot of people complained about this but it's sorted now. Still stupid to cut your peering links without rerouteing internationally beforehand. Hopefully they'll get it right next week when they cut their Telkom links. It only lasted a few hours .
 
They should do this late night or weekends, I am happy they did it but due consideration needs to be given to business.
 
Shayd on the other side of the coin, if we did it in the early hours of the morning we may not pick up on an unforeseen complication that crept in (as was the case yesterday) until the customer calls come flooding into the call centre the next morning, which could cause a lot more unnecessary frustration. During business hours you also have all hands on deck and all of your feedback points available to isolate and fix any issue that crops up quickly.
 
I believe they NEED to be inconsiderate to businesses for this to work. Remember, this is a shot in the gut move against profiteering telecoms. If this didn't effect business users there wouldn't be nearly as much of a fuss, and a fuss is EXACTLY what's needed to force everyone's hands.

It's tough love, but tough love that the local industry really needs.
 
actually from everything I understand Telkom charges more for local ISP's to access their network than they do for international ISP's

think of it as you want to take a holiday in cape town
it's local and realistically it should be just as expensive or even cheaper for you to go to SA holiday resort

but instead the holiday resort charges you allot more to the point where it is cheaper to fly overseas and then come back (as though your are from another country) than it is to go directly

unfortunately that is what happens here
it is cheaper to leave the country and come back in than to directly peer with these providers.

of course Telkom will be unhappy if all the ISP's does this then they are going to lose a large amount of money
 
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