MyBB guide to quitting smoking

[killadoob]

What does Chamnpix cost?

Well at medicross pharmacy is cost me 420.00, next month and the following will be R 407.00. That includes the 34 rand dispensing fee. Dischem also charge a flat rate for dispensing of around 30 or 28 rand somewhere there.

No idea what dischem charges but i would imagine the same amount. i have seen the pharmacy up the road from me charging my dad on an invoice 1000 rand for his meds, 196 of that was dispensing fees. Moved his script to dischem now he pays nothing for his meds, his medical aid cover the whole amount. Moving him to chem is saving 2k a year because the medical aid would not cover the huge dispensing fee, i think pharmacies have a limit of 120 rand for dispensing

Always check that the pharmacy you use have a standard dispensing fee. Anything over 40 rand and move away.

 

[HapticSimian]

I'd still heavily recommend all of you on Champix give Allen Carr's book a read as well; it gives you a different perspective on smoking which is, to my mind, much more conducive to kicking the habit. You need to get your mindset away from the feeling that you are depriving yourself of something you enjoy, or you're likely just preparing yourself for another failure.

 

[egenis]

I paid 480 at Dischem for the first issue...

 

[killadoob]

I'd still heavily recommend all of you on Champix give Allen Carr's book a read as well; it gives you a different perspective on smoking which is, to my mind, much more conducive to kicking the habit. You need to get your mindset away from the feeling that you are depriving yourself of something you enjoy, or you're likely just preparing yourself for another failure.

Well alan carr is basically mind over matter. Anyone who is going on champix should have the mindset that they want to quit, it isn't a magic pill that reprograms your mind and makes you think you want to quit. So anyone going on champix should be 100% committed to stopping and should be really really wanting to kick the habit. If you don't really want to stop even alan carr will fail in my opinion.

It's a battle between the mind and body, the biggest issue with smoking is drinking/drugs, well for me anyhow.

 

[HapticSimian]

Well alan carr is basically mind over matter. Anyone who is going on champix should have the mindset that they want to quit, it isn't a magic pill that reprograms your mind and makes you think you want to quit. So anyone going on champix should be 100% committed to stopping and should be really really wanting to kick the habit. If you don't really want to stop even alan carr will fail in my opinion.

It's a battle between the mind and body, the biggest issue with smoking is drinking/drugs, well for me anyhow.

There's a difference between wanting to quit, and realising that quitting does not translate to depriving yourself of anything. But what the hey, I wouldn't expect you to grasp the subtleties.

 

[killadoob]

There's a difference between wanting to quit, and realising that quitting does not translate to depriving yourself of anything. But what the hey, I wouldn't expect you to grasp the subtleties.

I fully understand but you don't grasp that initially you are depriving your body and your body will react to the lack of nicotine. So no matter what you read your body will be controlling you for at least two weeks, the cravings won't go away because you read a book.

Go tell a heroine addict to read a book and he won't have withdrawal. It's down right stupid. I am not saying the book won't help and i will try the book if need be but your post is as usual aggressive. I understand i will be depriving my body of nicotine and it will react to the lack of nicotine. No book can cure withdrawal bud. All you need to do is be prepared to fight a war with your body using your mind and know it isn't going to be easy.

So chill out we know the book can be helpful but it won't change the fact that you need to go through withdrawal initially.

 

[Spizz]

I fully understand but you don't grasp that initially you are depriving your body and your body will react to the lack of nicotine. So no matter what you read your body will be controlling you for at least two weeks, the cravings won't go away because you read a book.

Go tell a heroine addict to read a book and he won't have withdrawal. It's down right stupid. I am not saying the book won't help and i will try the book if need be but your post is as usual aggressive. I understand i will be depriving my body of nicotine and it will react to the lack of nicotine. No book can cure withdrawal bud. All you need to do is be prepared to fight a war with your body using your mind and know it isn't going to be easy.

So chill out we know the book can be helpful but it won't change the fact that you need to go through withdrawal initially.

I feel like I didn't really suffer any withdrawals but maybe that's because I'm convinced smoking is a habit and not an addiction. Sleeping at night is enough to clear your body of nicotine but having the first smoke in the morning with your coffee or as soon as you're in the car or whatever, is a habit.

I worked on breaking that and I've stopped now for a year and 4 months after 34 years on

Good luck either way dude. It's all in the mind

 

[HapticSimian]

I fully understand but you don't grasp that initially you are depriving your body and your body will react to the lack of nicotine. So no matter what you read your body will be controlling you for at least two weeks, the cravings won't go away because you read a book.

Go tell a heroine addict to read a book and he won't have withdrawal. It's down right stupid. I am not saying the book won't help and i will try the book if need be but your post is as usual aggressive. I understand i will be depriving my body of nicotine and it will react to the lack of nicotine. No book can cure withdrawal bud. All you need to do is be prepared to fight a war with your body using your mind and know it isn't going to be easy.

So chill out we know the book can be helpful but it won't change the fact that you need to go through withdrawal initially.

I'm not the one trying to quit; I'm perfectly chilled, thanks.

The 'cravings' experienced from quitting smoking are fundamentally different than anything brought on by heroin withdrawal; nicotine is a far less biologically active drug than heroin and any horrid withdrawal symptoms are likely to be largely psychosomatic.

Further, when I mention your mindset regarding deprivation, I am not talking about any physical effect on your body. I am talking about it being much more difficult to stop whilst you have yourself subconsciously convinced that you are giving up something beneficial and enjoyable. It's the difference between being told you need to give up bacon/chocolate/cheese/whatever other foodstuff you might love, and being told you should perhaps give up brussel sprouts.

I'm closing in on a year without so much as a drag on a cigarette after one attempt to quit, whilst you have one sob story after another of all your failed attempts. I'm saying that reading a little 100 page book might well be the difference maker for many, even if you're already on something like Champix.

 

[killadoob]

You are very mistaken if you think nicotine is all a habit bro, it is rated as the most addictive substance known to us. Worse than heroine due to the legality of it obviously but heroine is a country mile ahead if it was legalized. People don't get addicted to smoking because they have one in the morning, then with coffee and so. That becomes an association after the nicotine has you addicted.

http://www1.umn.edu/perio/tobacco/nicaddct.html

That site clearly shows what nicotine does to your brain and why people struggle, get angry, eat like crazy and eventually if it becomes too much they light up again. Nicotine is all about your body, it isn't a drug you get addicted to because of habit. There is no way you can tell me when someone like myself who smokes 30-35 a day will read a book and have no withdrawal, i have gone cold turkey, tried zyban and believe me it's very much a body drug and your body craves and needs the drug, you will go through withdrawal. That haptic is a fact. For some people it's worse and for some people it isn't that bad but read the article and research it.

 

[HapticSimian]

How do you manage to, time after time, completely miss the point of any ****ing post directed at you? Drug-addled brain I suppose.

I'm not in the mood for another pointless roundabout with someone who can't comprehend posts not much longer than a Twitter message. Good luck quitting.

 

[killadoob]

How do you manage to, time after time, completely miss the point of any ****ing post directed at you? Drug-addled brain I suppose.

I'm not in the mood for another pointless roundabout with someone who can't comprehend posts not much longer than a Twitter message. Good luck quitting.

I didn't miss the point, you said being addicted to cigi's is all in the mind. I showed you that it isn't. After the first few weeks yes it's all in the mind but some people suffer symptoms of withdrawal for years.

have you watched that movie with russel crowe in it haptic?

Do you really think i find smoking beneficial or enjoyable? Most say they do because they are addicted to a highly addictive substance but i hate smoking i just find it near impossible to quit. Do you honestly think i look at 40 rand a day and 30-35 cigi's a day as beneficial or nice? If i did why would i keep trying to quit? As i said that book is all about getting your mind ready for battle. Knowing it will be a battle is the key, if you don't really want to stop nothing will help you.

I will go borrow my uncle's book though, it worked wonders for him when his zyban course was done.

Please read this haptic so you can see smoking isn't just as a mind thing or habit thing.
http://www1.umn.edu/perio/tobacco/nicaddct.html

 

[HapticSimian]

I didn't miss the point, you said being addicted to cigi's is all in the mind. I showed you that it isn't.

Where did I make that claim?

After the first few weeks yes it's all in the mind but some people suffer symptoms of withdrawal for years.

No, it is largely psychosomatic. That is neither a claim that it is 'all in the mind', nor is it a denial of physical symptoms.

have you watched that movie with russel crowe in it haptic?

I've seen Gladiator, yes.

Do you really think i find smoking beneficial or enjoyable? Most say they do because they are addicted to a highly addictive substance but i hate smoking i just find it near impossible to quit. Do you honestly think i look at 40 rand a day and 30-35 cigi's a day as beneficial or nice? If i did why would i keep trying to quit? As i said that book is all about getting your mind ready for battle. Knowing it will be a battle is the key, if you don't really want to stop nothing will help you.

The book is about realising that it's not nearly as much of a battle as what you've convinced yourself it is. I'm quite certain you find elements of your perception of smoking enjoyable, yes. Perhaps you should light one up now... relax a bit.

 

[killadoob]

I am smoking right now, i don't find anything enjoyable about it. I light up because i am addicted to nicotine, smoking doesn't change my mood, make me happier. If i don't smoke i get agitated and angry but how can that be, i must tell myself not to get angry and that i can go cold turkey without getting any withdrawal symptoms because it is only my mind and habits that me keep smoking nothing to do with enhanced nicotine that is highly addictive.

Anyways whatever we arguing about crap, if you think nicotine addiction is a mind thing good for you and you have done well. As for me i know its not a mind thing so we can agree with disagree and i just hope i can go a few years without smoking . Champix will work and i will stop smoking . So i am set, ready for the battle between my body and my mind!!!!!!

 

[HapticSimian]

Yeah, still not what I said.

If you can't follow the simplest of conversations I doubt you have what it takes to quit. But, as I said earlier, good luck none the less.

 

[killadoob]

Yeah, still not what I said.

If you can't follow the simplest of conversations I doubt you have what it takes to quit. But, as I said earlier, good luck none the less.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/nicotine2.htm

I will get the book and give it a read. My uncle swears by it and gets so defensive when people ask questions. No idea why he gets so upset, perhaps he is still having the rage symptom.

 

[HapticSimian]

Is it you asking the questions? If so, you're likely confusing his perplexed frustration for defensiveness - you have that effect on people.

 

[killadoob]

Is it you asking the questions? If so, you're likely confusing his perplexed frustration for defensiveness - you have that effect on people.

Nope some people just get angry and defensive after they quit smoking. They get worked up way more easily. To me i don't care how a person quits smoking, if it worked for them great. Some people tend to think because something works for them it works for everyone and then they get defensive when questioned about it.

Champix may not work for me and i may end up trying the book. cold turkey has generally worked for me but only for a few months then i drink, party and fall off the wagon.

 

[Rocket-Boy]

Guys lets not argue about that stuff in here, its more of a support people quitting thread.
Its different for everyone and I know killa's story with smoking, he doesnt like smoking but is a madman if he doesnt have nicotene.
Good luck Killa, hope you beat it this time.
Haptic did you recently quit? I cant quite rememeber?
If you did then how is it going?

 

[killadoob]

I recall haptic saying he quit for a year now which is impressive if he went cold turkey.

Yea rocket that bad mood bro, can't shake it . In the last 4 months though my work situation is way less stressful, i am not under as much pressure as i have been in the past so perhaps this time the rage will be less. I also change my sleeping tablet from a short acting to a long acting one benzo which could have been the cause of my anger, mood swings from benzo withdrawal and nicotine haha now it will just be nicotine . I might even request a script for a benzo during the day to calm me down if need be but then benzo addiction during the day could be worse than smoking.

You are correct this is suppose to be a support thread, apologies . Yea thanx for the support bro i fking better do it this time, at some point i will nail it , hopefully this time if my time!!!!!!

 

[HapticSimian]

Haptic did you recently quit? I cant quite rememeber?
If you did then how is it going?

12th of August last year and yes, cold turkey. Not a drag or a hankering for a drag since. So it's going quite swimmingly, thanks.

It's not about arguing though, it's about seeking to make a constructive suggestion. The fact that some can't grasp that is hardly my problem.