Name Debate Turns Ugly

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Two Freedom Front Plus (FF Plus) councillors were chased out of a City of Tshwane meeting on Thursday after objecting to the name change of several streets in Pretoria, the party said.

FF Plus spokesperson Conrad Beyers said he, together with Cornelius Jansen van Rensburg, had objected to the renaming of 27 streets in Pretoria when they were chased out of the council meeting.

"Intolerance of the ANC

"This indicates the intolerance of the ANC as soon as opposition to their abuses are registered," said Beyers in a statement.

He said he alongside Jansen van Rensburg were instructed to leave by Speaker Korombi Dau because they had referred to the ANC as "acting like a terrorist organisation through attempting to sabotage street names".

The party also expressed disappointment with the Democratic Alliance which asked that disciplinary action be taken against them.

City spokesperson Console Tleane said during the meeting the party inappropriately raised the name change issue while council was discussing reports relating to the naming of a clinic and library in Ga-Rankuwa.

"Despite the irrelevance at the time the Speaker allowed parts of the debate to continue.

Emotive language

"When making his remarks councillor Beyers made the remark to the effect that it is wrong to want to replace some names with the names of "murderers and terrorists," said Tleane.

He said council as well as the Speaker requested Beyers to withdraw his comment.

"The Speaker, supporting by all parties, ordered him to leave the Council Chambers, on the basis of the language that he used," said Tleane.

Tleane said that Jansen van Rensburg also reiterated comment made by Beyers, refused to withdraw the statement and then left of his own accord.

"Council unanimously passed a motion that the behaviour of the two councillors be sent to the Ethics Committee for investigation," said Tleane.

Source: iafrica

I could understand them - or at the very least Beyers - being ordered to leave based on citing argument and, for lack of a better description, "trolling." But it seems as though he was allowed to continue stating his argument before the Speaker decided, "Oh noes, he just called us terrorists!"

I'd like to know what apparent language he'd used since claiming that certain street names have been verging on - or have already been changed to - the names of exactly that - terrorists and murderers - is hardly foul language, and is simply the truth in all its glory.

I also find it a bit strange that the DA let this one slide. Was it saving face or was what Beyers said a lot more offensive to the general council than what has been described?
 
We live in a funny little Republic. I can almost agree with Tutu and say a Banana Republic. Personally I think this is double standards considering what many ANC members get away with in front of the public at large, never mind in a private meeting.
 
They were terrorists and murderers.
Every South African (right in his mind) is offended that such people are honoured!
 
raised the name change issue while council was discussing reports relating to the naming of a clinic and library in Ga-Rankuwa.
"acting like a terrorist organisation through attempting to sabotage street names".
The ANC name thing is BS...but the speaker was right in this case to throw out the person out. The FFP was trying to stir up a shytstorm at an inappropriate time imo. The DA appears to agree too ("unanimous").
 
I am pretty disappointed in the DA siding with the ANC on this one. They better 'clarify' their position on this if they don't want to lose votes.
 
Rather use the money spent on changing a stupid street name for people without houses and food..

The total cost of changing these names are shocking considering it has no real threat to anyone.... including the ANC
 
They can have all the names apart. I feel that Church street and Paul Kruger street should remain but why hang on to two streets? They can have it all. Seriously. Politics suck!
 
LOL! @ The name changes. I have a bad memory so eventually it will be like living in another country. Will just have to use GPS! Oops! GPS software cant keep up with the name changes. lOL! That aside. Those guys should have known better anyway. Why waste your breath at Debates like that. Just a waste of time. Just let the ANC get it over with! FFS!
 
Just build new roads, fck knows we need them. Name them whatever you want. It's absolutely mind blowingly stupid to take a name like Johannesburg International (which makes perfect sense) and change it to OR Thambo.

The name changes thing is a complete waste in my opinion. It shouldn't even be discussed. Can't even remember the Boers or later NP going on a renaming spree after the English had left... we still have Port Elizabeth, Cookstown etc etc.

Tar a road or fight crime or something you retards.
 
Just build new roads, fck knows we need them. Name them whatever you want. It's absolutely mind blowingly stupid to take a name like Johannesburg International (which makes perfect sense) and change it to OR Thambo.

The name changes thing is a complete waste in my opinion. It shouldn't even be discussed. Can't even remember the Boers or later NP going on a renaming spree after the English had left... we still have Port Elizabeth, Cookstown etc etc.

Tar a road or fight crime or something you retards.

Heh... I never even thought of something so simple as them just making NEW roads and naming those... Or even building new hospitals and naming those... Or schools... or new trains, train stations.... or... SOMETHING...

Wow... Something so simple and it would give their names prestige in the communities as well as pride to be associated with doing "good" ...

Yeesh... Turiko... Thanks :) Now I have something to add to my "WTF?!" arsenal :D
 
*stare*

Excuse me... My brain is still coming to terms with the fact that it's Monday... *slaps head some more*

Sorry Turiko :( I meant TMoose :o :o :o

*goes off to cry in a corner and be all embarrassed*
 
I am pretty disappointed in the DA siding with the ANC on this one. They better 'clarify' their position on this if they don't want to lose votes.

I reckon it shows the DA is starting to realise that yelling at the ANC just causes them to yell back at you, and solves nothing.

The most terrible thing about these name-change debates is that they bring out the worst in *both* groups.

I'm just disappointed that no-one seems to be interested in changing the name of John Vorster Avenue in Centurion...
 
ah but the argument will be that a colonialist named it Main Street see ;):D
 
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