NASA's "Impossible" Space Engine Has Officially Passed Peer Review

[LazyLion]

Peer-Reviewed Paper On EmDrive To Be Published In December

It has been confirmed to IFLScience by the AIAA that a paper on the EmDrive is being published in December 2016. They said:

“The American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) Journal of Propulsion and Power has accepted for publication a paper in the area of electromagnetic propulsion. However, it is AIAA’s policy not to discuss the details of peer reviewed papers before/until they are published. We currently expect the paper in question to be published in December 2016.”

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http://www.iflscience.com/technolog...ts-the-controversial-thruster-actually-works/

 

[Arthur]

Controversial. Exciting.

Hope it doesn't turn out to be another Fleischmann and Pons.

 

[Space]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/proxima-b-breakthrough-starshot-1.3741742

 

[LazyLion]

The latest patent for the 'impossible' EM Drive has just been made public

The latest patent for the 'impossible' EM Drive has just been made public - and it’s wild!
So crazy, it just might work.

It’s been a big year for the 'impossible' EM Drive - a new kind of rocket engine that appears to generate thrust without any kind of exhaust or propellant. Back in May, NASA researchers reported a successful 10-week trial of their EM Drive prototype, and inventor Guido Fetta just got approval to test his own version in space.

Now, the UK Intellectual Property Office has released the latest patent application from British EM Drive inventor Roger Shawyer, and he says millions of pounds rest on the success of design within.

"The patent process is a very significant process, it's not like an academic peer review where everyone hides behind an anonymous review, it's all out in the open," Shawyer told Mary-Ann Russon at the International Business Times.

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http://www.sciencealert.com/the-pat...drive-has-just-been-made-public-and-it-s-wild

 

[Oopsie]

If it works it will only move a few grams and will take decades of development to actually move cars, jets and space rockets into orbit. I look forward to December to see the havoc it will cause in the scientific community as they scramble to re-write Newton's laws.

 

[saor]

If it works it will only move a few grams and will take decades of development to actually move cars, jets and space rockets into orbit. I look forward to December to see the havoc it will cause in the scientific community as they scramble to re-write Newton's laws.

Except we'd still use combustion to escape earths gravity.
The EM Drive kicks in once those burners have got us into space and they've fallen away.
This isn't intended to get a ship into space.

 

[LazyLion]

Except we'd still use combustion to escape earths gravity.
The EM Drive kicks in once those burners have got us into space and they've fallen away.
This isn't intended to get a ship into space.

Exactly this. This drive is not for launching rockets. It only kicks in once in space where you can move massive payloads with just a few grams of thrust. And given enough time it can accelerate to insane speeds.

 

[Sodan]

Exactly this. This drive is not for launching rockets. It only kicks in once in space where you can move massive payloads with just a few grams of thrust. And given enough time it can accelerate to insane speeds.

At which point steering, and avoiding space debris, and protection against debris you can't avoid at high speeds, becomes your primary concerns.

 

[Geoff.D]

If it works it will only move a few grams and will take decades of development to actually move cars, jets and space rockets into orbit. I look forward to December to see the havoc it will cause in the scientific community as they scramble to re-write Newton's laws.

Maybe it is time you hauled out those school physics books and checked your understanding of the basics ........

 

[OCP]

Exactly this. This drive is not for launching rockets. It only kicks in once in space where you can move massive payloads with just a few grams of thrust. And given enough time it can accelerate to insane speeds.

I can recommend a massive payload that is taking up valuable space in parliament that can be used for testing

 

[Geoff.D]

I can recommend a massive payload that is taking up valuable space in parliament that can be used for testing

On a one-way trip to anywhere and we don't care how long it takes to accelerate to maximum speed either.

 

[OCP]

On a one trip to anywhere and we don't care how long it takes to accelerate to maximum speed either.

Eggzaggery!!!

 

[skimread]

I didn't know patents are enforceable is space

 

[LazyLion]

At which point steering, and avoiding space debris, and protection against debris you can't avoid at high speeds, becomes your primary concerns.

Which are all factors facing any current space craft.

 

[Oopsie]

Maybe it is time you hauled out those school physics books and checked your understanding of the basics ........

I did not do basics at all. Now can you please explain this to me in "for dummies" terms.

I am well aware that it will take many years to develop it for personal use such as cars and airplanes. The EmDrive was actually developed in the 1950's and even though NASA has been able to move a few grammes, China has been able to propel about 1kg.

I look forward to the paper to see how much mass NASA has been able to propel.

 

[Geoff.D]

I did not do basics at all. Now can you please explain this to me in "for dummies" terms.

I am well aware that it will take many years to develop it for personal use such as cars and airplanes. The EmDrive was actually developed in the 1950's and even though NASA has been able to move a few grammes, China has been able to propel about 1kg.

I look forward to the paper to see how much mass NASA has been able to propel.

No you have the Internet .... Go and do your own research!

The point is modern science differs from other previous knowledge traditions in 3 critical ways:

1. A willingness to admit ignorance;
2. Science makes observations and gathers data and then uses mathematics to connect the data and observations into comprehensive theories; and,
3. Use the theories to develop new powers and new technologies.


This engine, based on very old theories is gradually being brought to reality, by continually refining the theories behind it and findings new ways to make the engine become something with practical use.

The same happened with the use of light confined in a glass tube being able to be used to communicate. Optic fibre and high capacity communication systems are now taken for granted, but when the theories were first developed , no one could do much more than make fancy lamps with it.

 

[HavocXphere]

No you have the Internet .... Go and do your own research!

You shot down a random comment of someone else in a rather condescending manner without even a hint of rationale...so...lets hear your reasoning as to why he is wrong.

I'd love to hear it - despite me thinking Oopsie is generally full of it this particular comment of his seems sound.

This engine, based on very old theories is gradually being brought to reality

Oh? Which old theories what that be? Last I checked people can't even agree how/why this works at all...never mind it being based on something that has been know for a long time.

 

[HavocXphere]

No you have the Internet .... Go and do your own research!

You shot down a random comment of someone else in a rather condescending manner without even a hint of rationale...so...lets hear your reasoning as to why he is wrong.

I'd love to hear it - despite me thinking Oopsie is generally full of it this particular comment of his seems sound.

This engine, based on very old theories is gradually being brought to reality

Oh? Which old theories what that be? Last I checked people can't even agree how/why this works at all...never mind it being based on something that has been know for a long time.

 

[Oopsie]

I am not a novice to science and I don't want to blow my own trumpet here but I was the top performer in science and chemistry and achieved distinctions of over 90% in these subjects when the average was under 30%. So you cannot fool me.

Science does not need mathematical evidence at all. Science is all about "strength of evidence" and repeatability. Maths needs proof but not science.
Science theories will change when new evidence is found but mathematics will stay as it is. It cannot ever be refuted.

So what I'm saying is that "proof" is for math and alcohol only. Not science.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Except we'd still use combustion to escape earths gravity.
The EM Drive kicks in once those burners have got us into space and they've fallen away.
This isn't intended to get a ship into space.

Exactly this. This drive is not for launching rockets. It only kicks in once in space where you can move massive payloads with just a few grams of thrust. And given enough time it can accelerate to insane speeds.

100% correct. But then the question is: what's the point really? There will still be the massive cost and risk getting the payload into space. Once up there, nearly no fuel is required to move the payload and insane speeds are reached anyway. So, as always, distance is the only factor limiting space travel for humans.

My unscientific theory in a nutshell...