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Ok now I have read on various sources of Humans and Neanderthals living side by side. There have been claims from these various sources that interbreeding either happened very seldom or never.

I'm actually convinced interbreeding did occur and lead to the extinction of the Neanderthals because of it and let me explain why:

If you interbreed a Lion with a Tiger you get a Liger. All good and well, problem is that the Liger would be born infertile. Now let's assume Humans for a lack of a better word co-inhabited with Neanderthals and they had children their children would have been infertile. This the reason there is no genetic link between humans and Neanderthals.

Another problem I have with this Neanderthal story is that I can't find proof of an actual HUMAN (Modern Man) that lived around that time. We have the Homo sapiens which I can see being with the Neanderthals back all that time ago.(I'm still to be convinced that we're part of those homo sapiens) But then I also stumbled upon a 40 000 year old skeleton which wasn't 100% Human like either. And the Neanderthals went extinct around that time.

If someone can help me understand this a little better I would appreciate it :)
 
Think you should head to the cradle of humankind near harties , loads of info there and im sure you will bump into some profs from Wits there
 
http://culturelifesciencenews.blogspot.com/2006/02/homo-sapiens-killed-off-neanderthalers.html

Neanderthals in Europe were killed off by the advance of modern humans
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More info: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534262,00.html?sPage=fnc/scitech/evolution


IGOR V. OVCHINNIKOV, ANDERS GÖTHERSTRÖM, GALINA P. ROMANOVA, VITALIY M. KHARITONOV, KERSTIN LIDÉN & WILLIAM GOODWIN
Molecular analysis of Neanderthal DNA from the northern Caucasus
Nature 404, 490 - 493 (2000)
© Macmillan Publishers Ltd.
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From that article:
"Neanderthal DNA is distinct from modern humans," Goodwin says, "and there are no examples of humans having Neanderthal-type DNA"
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http://cogweb.ucla.edu/Abstracts/Goodwin_00.html

In all likely hood we killed them off rather than bred them out.

They were an older more conservative species that while able to use the same tools and items as homo sapiens, were too conservative and were not able to adapt to the quicker thinking homo sapiens, and lost a war of resources.
 
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w1z4rd said:
http://culturelifesciencenews.blogspot.com/2006/02/homo-sapiens-killed-off-neanderthalers.html



More info: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534262,00.html?sPage=fnc/scitech/evolution




From that article:

http://cogweb.ucla.edu/Abstracts/Goodwin_00.html

In all likely hood we killed them off rather than bred them out.

They were an older more conservative species that while able to use the same tools and items as homo sapiens, were too conservative and were not able to adapt to the quicker thinking homo sapiens, and lost a war of resources.
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Exactly what I said in my OP.

There will be no Neanderthal DNA since interbreeding would have killed of the lineage (Their offspring would have been infertile). Or am I wrong in assuming how DNA is passed on?
 
Remember that 'hybrids' aren't guaranteed sterile... Although you'd have to think that any primitive man opting for a Neanderthal stekkie probably wouldn't have been a cave painting himself. The resultant offspring would probably kill off the lineage by virtue of looking awful anyway. :p
 
enigma243 said:
Remember that 'hybrids' aren't guaranteed sterile... Although you'd have to think that any primitive man opting for a Neanderthal stekkie probably wouldn't have been a cave painting himself. The resultant offspring would probably kill off the lineage by virtue of looking awful anyway. :p
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From what I gathered so far. These "Humans" from 40 000 odd years ago wheren't really much better than Neanderthals :o
 
This is a natural sciences section post I think. Its a good topic in a bad section (for it).
 
It would have been impossible for them to breed, they were not as close as you think.

Like an Eagle and an Owl can't breed.
 
Pitbull said:
Exactly what I said in my OP.

There will be no Neanderthal DNA since interbreeding would have killed of the lineage (Their offspring would have been infertile). Or am I wrong in assuming how DNA is passed on?
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It's possible that humans and Neanderthals had sexual relations, but as you say, if they did, they couldn't breed.

Humans from 40000 years ago, BTW, were genetically homo sapiens sapiens, as we are.
 
Pitbull said:
From what I gathered so far. These "Humans" from 40 000 odd years ago wheren't really much better than Neanderthals :o
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They'd have looked somewhat different. Dark-skinned, for one thing, where Neanderthals were pale-skinned, and not nearly as powerfully built as the Neanderthals.

Take a trip to the Sterkfontein Caves; the museum there has some really interesting artists' impressions.
 
Claymore said:
It's possible that humans and Neanderthals had sexual relations, but as you say, if they did, they couldn't breed.

Humans from 40000 years ago, BTW, were genetically homo sapiens sapiens, as we are.
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Correct in a way.

Just like a Shark is a fish in relation to a Guppy?

They would have been able to have children based on DNA research. How that would have looked or how that would have happened is anyone's guess I assume :D
 
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These the same Neanderthals that have suddenly appeareded in Prince Valient?

Seriously though whats all this 40000 , the world is 5770 (Jewish calander) years old
 
chutzpah44 said:
...the world is 5770 (Jewish calander) years old
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:p
 
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