NetEqualizer

[breacher]

Hi all,

Is there any WISP's using NetEqualizer hardware (netequalizer.com) for DPI - shaping etc that's willing to provide feedback if it's worth the money?

All the reviews are excellent

Thanks

EDIT:
Hardware is R50k +

 

[maxum]

It's quite good actually. Or at least it was when I used it about 4-5 years ago. Back then there wasn't much in the way of support though. Perhaps you can book a QnA session with their team.

Compile questions based on what your primary needs will be.
Like torrent identification and shaping. Bandwidth pools etc.

I take it the key functionality you'll need is scheduling p2p traffic. Identifying and setting up gaming traffic pools and managing streaming video.

Netequalizer can do all of the above really well. With the optimal configuration.
If you go with it, run it in a test environment before putting it into production.

 

[breacher]

It's quite good actually. Or at least it was when I used it about 4-5 years ago. Back then there wasn't much in the way of support though. Perhaps you can book a QnA session with their team.

Compile questions based on what your primary needs will be.
Like torrent identification and shaping. Bandwidth pools etc.

I take it the key functionality you'll need is scheduling p2p traffic. Identifying and setting up gaming traffic pools and managing streaming video.

Netequalizer can do all of the above really well. With the optimal configuration.
If you go with it, run it in a test environment before putting it into production.

Thanks maxum. Got a Q&A booked next week, apparently they have excellent support now.

 

[eddief1]

The local agent for NetEqualizer is Cybersmart, you can lease the device too, I would say it is better to lease.

What pipe you splitting? Hopefully fibre.

As far as I understand it it shapes per a connection not per a protocol....so in basic terms if a multiple users are downloading say from HTTP it will actually shape the individual HTTP connections that are using the highest "percentage" of the link as opposed to HTTP as a whole.

So HTTP which is not hogging the bandwidth still flows unshaped.

That said it depends on what your trying to achieve...you can do some pretty powerful stuff with linux which achieves something similar and is free bar the hardware. There have been some nice advancements in the algorithms of late which does a pretty neat job of sharing stuff out.

Just remember 10Mbps on fibre is still just 10Mbps and will only go so far no matter which QOS system you use

 

[breacher]

The local agent for NetEqualizer is Cybersmart, you can lease the device too, I would say it is better to lease.

What pipe you splitting? Hopefully fibre.

As far as I understand it it shapes per a connection not per a protocol....so in basic terms if a multiple users are downloading say from HTTP it will actually shape the individual HTTP connections that are using the highest "percentage" of the link as opposed to HTTP as a whole.

So HTTP which is not hogging the bandwidth still flows unshaped.

That said it depends on what your trying to achieve...you can do some pretty powerful stuff with linux which achieves something similar and is free bar the hardware. There have been some nice advancements in the algorithms of late which does a pretty neat job of sharing stuff out.

Just remember 10Mbps on fibre is still just 10Mbps and will only go so far no matter which QOS system you use

Hi eddief1,

Thank you for your reply. Yes luckily fibre!

At present our various systems work, would just like something that is rock solid, very powerful and easier for everyone to manage and maintain/tweak.

We offer Lite packages as well, and would like to effectively manage the P2P separately and "penalize" only P2P traffic.

While providing effective individual priority for streaming etc based on various variables

We class different packages, from what I've been told NetEqualizer is one of most effective ones in doing this. Alleged ease of administration/management will be a bonus.

 

[Sonic2k]

The local agent for NetEqualizer is Cybersmart

That explains a hell of a lot, thanks for that.

We offer Lite packages as well, and would like to effectively manage the P2P separately and "penalize" only P2P traffic.

Good for you, does it make you feel nice and fuzzy inside denying people the right to do with their internet what they please?

 

[eddief1]

Good for you, does it make you feel nice and fuzzy inside denying people the right to do with their internet what they please?

That is a bit unfair...bandwidth is not free, it is actually heck expensive...I'm hoping you know the price of wholesale? Some people just want to browse and stream but pay the absolute minimum price...how you propose the OP provide service to these not so rich folks without shaping? Your comment is uncalled for

 

[Sonic2k]

That is a bit unfair...bandwidth is not free, it is actually heck expensive...I'm hoping you know the price of wholesale? Some people just want to browse and stream but pay the absolute minimum price...how you propose the OP provide service to these not so rich folks without shaping? Your comment is uncalled for

No its not, a lot of us pay a lot for our internet, and what never ceases to amaze me is the shaping/throttling.
In any case, you're a bit wide off the mark, p2p is so yesterday.. you may as well shape / throttle Netflix/Youtube if you are so concerned about your "expensive as hell bandwidth"

 

[breacher]

Sonic2k, your comments are irrelevant to the post. As eddief1 has stated a lot of users exist in the market that only use the internet for browsing, emailing and streaming. We assess clients needs and advise accordingly - we do not mislead clients with Lite offerings - that being said we have Lite users doing 150GB-250GB a month.

If p2p is so "yesterday" why hijack the thread for it?

If you don't want to be shaped/throttled - get yourself dedicated bandwidth - you clearly don't know wholesale pricing.

 

[Sonic2k]

Sonic2k, your comments are irrelevant to the post. As eddief1 has stated a lot of users exist in the market that only use the internet for browsing, emailing and streaming. We assess clients needs and advise accordingly - we do not mislead clients with Lite offerings - that being said we have Lite users doing 150GB-250GB a month.

If p2p is so "yesterday" why hijack the thread for it?

If you don't want to be shaped/throttled - get yourself dedicated bandwidth - you clearly don't know wholesale pricing.

Playing the "wholesale pricing" card with me doesn't work...
As for your comment about browsing and emailing, that assumption was the same one made.. I think 10 years ago... on this very site, by Telkom.

If you think about it, this thing, is actually a form of censorship.

 

[breacher]

If you think about it, this thing, is actually a form of censorship.

I do agree, unfortunately upstream in South Africa is still very expensive compared to other countries (not all.) WISP/ISP's are businesses, it's not a hobby gone wrong, it needs to be sustainable.

With WISP's at least you can opt for low/lower contended packages unlike ADSL. Also excellent support and not having to hold on for 40 minutes for "non-existent support" and having to explain the situation several times.

 

[eddief1]

No its not, a lot of us pay a lot for our internet, and what never ceases to amaze me is the shaping/throttling.
In any case, you're a bit wide off the mark, p2p is so yesterday.. you may as well shape / throttle Netflix/Youtube if you are so concerned about your "expensive as hell bandwidth"

It's simple maths dude, if a client can only afford R199 a month for internet you got to develop a product in that range and your biggest input cost is wholesale, so go figure you got to shape to provide said product at said price. I would prefer to see a poor person actually have an internet connection as opposed to not having one at all...if you want brilliant internet 99% of the time, it's there, go buy it, clients buy dedicated bandwidth all the time for that exact reason.

Do you even know how much wholesale bandwidth costs ????

 

[Johnatan56]

It's simple maths dude, if a client can only afford R199 a month for internet you got to develop a product in that range and your biggest input cost is wholesale, so go figure you got to shape to provide said product at said price. I would prefer to see a poor person actually have an internet connection as opposed to not having one at all...if you want brilliant internet 99% of the time, it's there, go buy it, clients buy dedicated bandwidth all the time for that exact reason.

Do you even know how much wholesale bandwidth costs ????

+1

Buy the product that applies to you rather than complaining that there is more choice for those who cannot afford dedicated bandwidth.

 

[DA-LION-619]

Don't argue with an idiot they'll beat you with experience(or complain)

 

[roxashe]

Do you even know how much wholesale bandwidth costs ????

This!!! I work for a WISP and have to that that Your wholesale B/W is pretty much 80-90% of your monthly costs! Second to Highsite rentals and so on!!!! Then come the support, and the electricity costs of running your data center that has all your core switches in it, even if you rent it! Its not anywhere near cheap you know. Fact here is that the Bandwidth is pretty much the largest factor and is not cheap. If someone is wanting cheap bandwidth, you can't exactly provide them with a 1:1 contended product and HOPE by some miracle that they don't abuse it for all the other users paying 3x more for a better service. I mean seriously. Think about that before commenting stupid stuff like you think we are just throttling your P2P for the fun of things.