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Hey,

So, long ramble, I'm starting a new project, and I thought it couldn't hurt to get some "expert" advice. In a nutshell, Dad's living room setup has outlived its projected lifespan and is now in dire need of an upgrade. The current setup is a 63" Plasma circa 2010, with an RX-V663 AVR with pre-outs to the Emotiva power amp driving the 5.0 setup of B&W 703 towers and the smaller surrounds & center. The AVR receives inputs from the Explora Ultra via HDMI over Cat5e as well as the little Blu-ray player. And then a Harmony 900 to unite them all. This worked ok, Dad prefers his DSTV remote, but everything functioned as needed, mostly.

Now, the setup has gone wonky, and without ease of use, there is no use. This is their secondary TV watching space, in the big room for guests and the big TV for Supersport and music Blu-rays. The emphasis must be on simplicity to operate. The current situation is not that anymore, so a bit of budget has opened up for a new project.

Firstly, the TV belongs in the arc with Noah. It still works, and the mindset has always been, if it's not broken, don't fix it. But the AVR is unreliable now, and replacing one and not the other would be insane. The Yamaha RX-V663 originally did duty in the small living room where the folks spend most evenings. Then its IR receiver somehow died. So it was replaced with a Marantz 1508 slimline, which has been great. It is old now, but it works fine. Then the Emotiva UMC-1 processor in the main sitting room went to heaven, so I yanked the Yamaha from the basement to replace it. Luckily, it had pre-amp outs, so the Towers still got enough juice for decent sound. But with the IR dead, it was a chore to operate. I finally got all the parts to solder a cable for the IR input from the Harmony blaster, and Logitech yanked their cloud database for Gen1 remotes. Finding battery replacements is impossible anyway, so the remote is e-waste.

First is a new AVR. I'm leaning towards the Denon X1800H. It seems to have all the bells & whistles, and there appear to be some decent specials going. I looked at the JBL stuff, but it seems a lot was sacrificed for aesthetics. This thing will live behind a little door anyway, so function over form. I must just verify that the local version comes with pre-outs for fronts. The power spec is plenty for the centre & surrounds, but those towers want watts. If it has pre-outs, i can keep using the UPA-7 power amp for those while it lasts, and then get a proper 2-channel amp when the budget opens up again (or the UPA-7 dies. It has lived a good life, but the years have not been kind. One of the 125w channels have already gone).

Second is the TV. The room is large and open with plenty of light. So I was looking at Mini-LED, and the Hisense U7N caught my eye, but some investigation brought me to the TCL c755. I found a special on one that should work. Just need to get an installer in, that old plasma is too heavy for me to mess with.

I think I'll need new extenders and a new splitter for the Explora (it's in a rack in the basement). I saw some stuff on Amazon US that *might* work. Getting something that supports both Dolby Vision & Atmos for that length looks tricky, but it seems like that is what the Explora is set up for, and it will be the primary source for DSTV and streaming. Probably replace all the HDMI cables with new spec ones while I'm at it.

Finally, the remote. I've looked at everything, but Sofabaton seems the only option. I can't find anything on anyone in South Africa using one of those. Hopefully, one can program it with the DSTV remote to work for the Explora? Seems like a mission, but what else can you do?

So, that was a long story for a short question: Any input or advice, particularly on the TV and AVR?
 
I’ve got the X1800H and I’m almost 100% sure that it has no pre-outs at all … & by itself, will not be great with B&W703. You’ll need more power
 
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Ah, that's not good. It looks like the X2800H only has pre-outs for Zone 2, so that won't work either. The next in the series kinda stretches the budget at double the price. Looks like I'll have to replan on that one.
 
Ah, that's not good. It looks like the X2800H only has pre-outs for Zone 2, so that won't work either. The next in the series kinda stretches the budget at double the price. Looks like I'll have to replan on that one.
Yea - exactly. It’s almost pointless going to x2800 from x1800 - it needs to be x3800.

Another option I looked at was the Marantz Cinema 70. It did lack on one or two features - but it was the cheapest Marantz/Denon with full preouts.

I decided to get the x1800 and suck up the power issues - then resell when I’m ready
 
Right, the guy at the store just told me it DOES have pre-outs for FR/LR. I'll probably have to drive out there. Less of a mission than returning the thing if he's wrong.
 
Right, the guy at the store just told me it DOES have pre-outs for FR/LR. I'll probably have to drive out there. Less of a mission than returning the thing if he's wrong.
Let me know.

I bought mine through Digital Experience who are through official channels. I checked my box :

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And my amp



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Seems the UK version is the same, if you head over the X1800H section. Maybe they’ve added front in newer versions & that is why they discounted heavily to clear and replace?

 
Well, he said I can return for a refund if they are not there, so I guess I'll take a shot.
 
Thanks guys. It looks like I'll be visiting the showroom (always a nice experience), so maybe I will give the guys a chance to upsell us to the Marantz Cinema 60 for the Sitting room.

If I do that, then I'm thinking we should replace the Marantz NR1508 in the Living Room at the same time. If we switch over to a Marantz Cinema 70 there, then both the TVs and the AVRs will be the same in both rooms. That makes sense to me for maximum ease of use.

Unless...
I ditch the AVR setup in the Living room completely, and change to a soundbar. The Living room is small, and viewing distances are about 3m to 4m. I'm thinking, won't one of those fancy Samsung bars with the 11.1.4 setups murder a 5.1 setup? The PSB Image speaker setup is nice, but probably overkill for what is essentially a 4m x 5m sitting area.

So, any experience with soundbars vs AVR's in small setups? The feedback so far is appreciated.
 
won't one of those fancy Samsung bars with the 11.1.4 setups murder a 5.1 setup?
A proper 5.1 will sound better than a multi-channel sound bar. People place too much emphasis on number of channels as opposed to the quality of the channels you have.

I used to run 3 x Kef LS50 and 2 x Elac 10” subs up front - and I had a wall of sound upfront that gave phenomenal depth, space and placement.

I was also running an Emotiva UMC-1 and I can’t recall what amp (it was some Emotiva, as I had several). I even had a 2ch system that sounded better, less fatiguing and more enjoyable than many 5.1 systems

That’s not to say the Samsung is bad at all - that Samsung Q990D (or whatever the latest is now) is exceptional and probably one of the best you can get

EDIT : I’m not talking about your space specifically - but rather in general
 
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Thanks guys. It looks like I'll be visiting the showroom (always a nice experience), so maybe I will give the guys a chance to upsell us to the Marantz Cinema 60 for the Sitting room.

If I do that, then I'm thinking we should replace the Marantz NR1508 in the Living Room at the same time. If we switch over to a Marantz Cinema 70 there, then both the TVs and the AVRs will be the same in both rooms. That makes sense to me for maximum ease of use.

Unless...
I ditch the AVR setup in the Living room completely, and change to a soundbar. The Living room is small, and viewing distances are about 3m to 4m. I'm thinking, won't one of those fancy Samsung bars with the 11.1.4 setups murder a 5.1 setup? The PSB Image speaker setup is nice, but probably overkill for what is essentially a 4m x 5m sitting area.

So, any experience with soundbars vs AVR's in small setups? The feedback so far is appreciated.
Nope they won't murder a proper 5.1, they'll do a decent job but not murder nor smoke
 
Right. So the soundbar will be a WAF upgrade, but an audio downgrade. Makes sense, 22 little 5w speakers will never move as much air as 50w into the 6.5" drivers of the fronts & dual 6.5" centre. Man, a soundbar install would have been so much easier than rectifying the current cable hell of the AVR setup behind the wall unit.

Doesn't look like the sofabaton remote is going to work with Dstv either, so that idea is dead too.
 
Can anyone tell me what the HDMI output of the Explora Ultra is? Is it 4k30 or 4k60? I'm trying to dial in the EDID configuration of the new HDBaseT extenders that finally arrived this week.
 
Let me know.

I bought mine through Digital Experience who are through official channels. I checked my box

sorry for the hijack, didn't want to start another thread

I'm seriously considering the LG 65C5
LG.com: R42,998.99
DigitalExperience: R37,795.00

Friend of mine tells that DE does grey market, that's why the prices are so good - any truth to that?
 
I'm seriously considering the LG 65C5
LG.com: R42,998.99
DigitalExperience: R37,795.00

Friend of mine tells that DE does grey market, that's why the prices are so good - any truth to that?
Don’t believe that for a second.

If I’ve bought something and something has gone wrong, I’ve taken it straight to the local distributor
 
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