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kaisterkai

kaisterkai

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Good day..

Trying to upgrade my PC.. So I just want to know, if this is a good upgrade, and whether the PSU will be enough.. etc etc..

Currently I have:

i3 530 2.93
2GB ram (DDR 3)
H55M S2H
ATI 4839
500GB (master)
1TB (Storage)
470w Odin

Want to upgrade to:

i7 875K 2.93
8GB (4x2GB)
H55M USB 3
ATI 5830

And everthing else remains the same...

So I just want to know if the GPU is rated "good" (I do game.. Like Dragon age, crysis, dirt 2, DMC 4 and others as well... )

I just want to know if my 470W Odin will be enough to support the new upgrade, or if I need to get another PSU

And another thing I want to is that I do need to reinstall windows if I get a new motherboard.. right? But is there any chance to keep my drivers? Because I have a bluetooth device.. And it didn't come with a diver for window 7.. So it was really troublesome to fine the drivers for it.. So Yeah..

Anyway, thanks guys!
 
Scooby_Doo said:
IMO, I don't think you need an upgrade, but if you must get more ram and a better graphics card.
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I don't really need an upgrade I know, but there is this person where i'm getting things from, and it's not too expensive.. (Cheaper than what's in the shops now.. ) so I thought maybe I'll just take the chance and get a even better computer saving me the upgrades later?..
 
kaisterkai said:
I don't really need an upgrade I know, but there is this person where i'm getting things from, and it's not too expensive.. (Cheaper than what's in the shops now.. ) so I thought maybe I'll just take the chance and get a even better computer saving me the upgrades later?..
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Ok for the money you would spend on all that get a good GPU and a extra 2 gigs ram, you will see more performance that way.
 
What graphics card do you currently have?

I would strongly advise you to get a new power supply if you intend on upgrading!
The HD5830 could consume about 145W (~ 12A on the +12V rail) and the Odin 470 is rated at a VERY low 15A on the 2nd +12V rail.
You have to remember that the 2nd +12V rail is used for all the peripherals: graphics card, hard drives, dvd-writer & fans !

I would agree with Scoopy Doo, that you should rather just your upgrade RAM. If you have more money to spend, then upgrade graphics card and PSU, before upgrading CPU - unless you're using the PC more for work related stuff.

Also remember that the next gen AMD graphics cards will be released 22 Oct, however they will be available in SA yet at that time and might be expensive too. Hopefully the prices on the existing AMD graphics cards would drop though.
 
Please do not get a HD5830, it really aint worth it. Didnt even bother to put it on my comparison list. Rather wait until prices drop on the 5850/5870 or the GTX460. And using your current PSU would be touch and go, I would seriously look into getting a decent 500W PSU.
 
Scooby_Doo said:
Ok for the money you would spend on all that get a good GPU and a extra 2 gigs ram, you will see more performance that way.
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I see.. but isn't 8GB already alot? And a good GPU.. that will be like? one of those 2GB ram DDR 5 etc etc? but that's crazy lol..
 
Pada said:
What graphics card do you currently have?

I would strongly advise you to get a new power supply if you intend on upgrading!
The HD5830 could consume about 145W (~ 12A on the +12V rail) and the Odin 470 is rated at a VERY low 15A on the 2nd +12V rail.
You have to remember that the 2nd +12V rail is used for all the peripherals: graphics card, hard drives, dvd-writer & fans !

I would agree with Scoopy Doo, that you should rather just your upgrade RAM. If you have more money to spend, then upgrade graphics card and PSU, before upgrading CPU - unless you're using the PC more for work related stuff.

Also remember that the next gen AMD graphics cards will be released 22 Oct, however they will be available in SA yet at that time and might be expensive too. Hopefully the prices on the existing AMD graphics cards would drop though.
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I currently have a ATI 4830..

I see.. getting more ram.. But you see, on the current motherboard, I can only have like 8GB ram max, as my motherboard doesn't take anymore than that.. That's why I want to get a new motherboard..

So 470w odin isn't good.. mm.. what do you think will be safe? 500w? or a bit higher?
 
Archer said:
Please do not get a HD5830, it really aint worth it. Didnt even bother to put it on my comparison list. Rather wait until prices drop on the 5850/5870 or the GTX460. And using your current PSU would be touch and go, I would seriously look into getting a decent 500W PSU.
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GTX 460? I see.. Is the ATI 5870 better than the 5850? (Just looking at the numbers lol)

500? Can it be a generic one or do you think I should get another odin?

Thanks anyway..
 
Never ever ever get a generic PSU unless you do not like your PC very much. The top recommended PSU would be from Corsair, although Cooler Master, Thermaltake and OCZ make very good PSUs as well. 500W-600W will be enough for a single GPU rig. 600W gives you a bit more room for if you want to OC at any stage. As for what GPU you should get its better to start with a budget, and then find what GPU gives you the most bang for buck within that budget. Top contenders are the HD5850 and GTX460 in terms of value for money. If you simply want max framerates and have cash to burn then you want a HD5970 or GTX480
 
Archer said:
Never ever ever get a generic PSU unless you do not like your PC very much. The top recommended PSU would be from Corsair, although Cooler Master, Thermaltake and OCZ make very good PSUs as well. 500W-600W will be enough for a single GPU rig. 600W gives you a bit more room for if you want to OC at any stage. As for what GPU you should get its better to start with a budget, and then find what GPU gives you the most bang for buck within that budget. Top contenders are the HD5850 and GTX460 in terms of value for money. If you simply want max framerates and have cash to burn then you want a HD5970 or GTX480
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I see.. Well I was just asking, because I had one before.. but I couldn't tell the difference.. but I know there is.. lol

anyway.. 660w.. but that will also secure any further upgrades in the future.. so it's better to go there then?

Corair? I thought they only make rams.. lol.. I see.. but what about gigabyte? Don't they do well?

Well I don't really have a budget.. just not something that is hot and just made.. if you know what I mean..

The GPU that i'm looking for is one that just can play games on high graphics. and don't lag.. Like crysis.. I can't play ultra graphics withou lagging with my ATI 4830.. sigh.. so yeah ^ ^

HD 5850.. I'll take a look at that.. thank you..
 
Since you have an old & slow graphics card, even an HD 5770 1GB would be a big improvement, however it would be worth it to spend just that tiny bit more for an nVidia GTX 460 / AMD HD 5850.
Make no mistake, the HD 5770 is still one of the best performance cards for its price, but the GTX 460 with some overclocking is a beast.

A decent 400W power supply would suffice for a GTX 460 1GB (160W TDP) / HD 5850 (151W TDP) + Core i7 950 (135W TDP), like the Corsair CX400W which has a single +12V rail rated at 30A (360W),
but I would really avoid going for something that is on the limit like that.
Currently one my favorite power supplies to recommend is the CoolerMaster GX550W. You can get cheaper 550W power supplies, but they often don't have 2x 6+2pin PCI-E power connectors, which are required for the GTX460/HD5850
AND they are often rated on their PEAK power delivery (like the Gigabyte Odin series - note that the Odin GT series is different). With the GX550W you should be able to overclock both your GPU & CPU by a reasonable margin + have a couple of hard drives running at the same time and still be safe within its limits.
The expensive power supplies also includes lots of safety features, which would protect your hardware in the long run. I've seen it so many times that people lose their expensive components because the power supply didn't protect the hardware from a power surge.

3GB of RAM is enough for most people who either use Microsoft Office products or who are simply playing games.
If you're doing development work (graphics design / programming in big IDE's / CAD / audio composition), then 4GB might not be enough.
I have 4GB of RAM at my work, and I very rarely run into memory problems, which only happens if I run a Virtual Machine or two. For that reason I got 6GB of RAM for my home PC, so that I can run as many VM's as I please :)
The guy I bought my 3x 2GB Corsair Dominators from had to upgrade to 12GB of RAM, because 6GB was simply not enough for his line of work where he's constantly working with 150+ audio tracks.

So, rather buy just enough RAM that you know that you're going to use, as well as a motherboard with 4 or 6 RAM slots to allow future RAM upgrades.

Before you go out and buy the hardware, make sure you either read up on reviews about that exact model OR post on the forums for input.
Don't make the fault that DUDE!@##$%% made here: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/276889-Just-Ordered!
 
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Pada said:
Since you have an old & slow graphics card, even an HD 5770 1GB would be a big improvement, however it would be worth it to spend just that tiny bit more for an nVidia GTX 460 / AMD HD 5850.
Make no mistake, the HD 5770 is still one of the best performance cards for its price, but the GTX 460 with some overclocking is a beast.

A decent 400W power supply would suffice for a GTX 460 1GB (160W TDP) / HD 5850 (151W TDP) + Core i7 950 (135W TDP), like the Corsair CX400W which has a single +12V rail rated at 30A (360W),
but I would really avoid going for something that is on the limit like that.
Currently one my favorite power supplies to recommend is the CoolerMaster GX550W. You can get cheaper 550W power supplies, but they often don't have 2x 6+2pin PCI-E power connectors, which are required for the GTX460/HD5850
AND they are often rated on their PEAK power delivery (like the Gigabyte Odin series - note that the Odin GT series is different). With the GX550W you should be able to overclock both your GPU & CPU by a reasonable margin + have a couple of hard drives running at the same time and still be safe within its limits.
The expensive power supplies also includes lots of safety features, which would protect your hardware in the long run. I've seen it so many times that people lose their expensive components because the power supply didn't protect the hardware from a power surge.

3GB of RAM is enough for most people who either use Microsoft Office products or who are simply playing games.
If you're doing development work (graphics design / programming in big IDE's / CAD / audio composition), then 4GB might not be enough.
I have 4GB of RAM at my work, and I very rarely run into memory problems, which only happens if I run a Virtual Machine or two. For that reason I got 6GB of RAM for my home PC, so that I can run as many VM's as I please :)
The guy I bought my 3x 2GB Corsair Dominators from had to upgrade to 12GB of RAM, because 6GB was simply not enough for his line of work where he's constantly working with 150+ audio tracks.

So, rather buy just enough RAM that you know that you're going to use, as well as a motherboard with 4 or 6 RAM slots to allow future RAM upgrades.

Before you go out and buy the hardware, make sure you either read up on reviews about that exact model OR post on the forums for input.
Don't make the fault that DUDE!@##$%% made here: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/276889-Just-Ordered!
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Sp corair is a rather recommended brand...

I guess I'll have to get a 550W one thing.. or maybe even a 600.. Does anyone know where I can get one?

Does the HD5850 need 2 6-pins?

Because from the 4830 I got a 4 to 6 pin converter.. can't I just use that on the PSU that doesn't have one 6-pins?

PSU with safty functions.. haha, never knew that.. but thanks.. i'll keep an eye out for that now..


I see what you're saying about the ram.. I just game.. don't really do work.. but every now and then I have to do a bit of cad.. But with 2GB it can do a bit.

So should I stay with the motherboard that I have and then just get 2x 4GB? or just 1x 4GB running along with my 2GB.. Then will that be better than upgrading everything?

Yeah, thanks for the warning.. I have checked everything out.. Just wasn't too sure about the PSU and the GPU.. but now.. I'm getting a conclusion lol ..

Thanks for the help..
 
Seems like people likes teh GTX 460 HD 5850.. So i guess my GPU will be one of them..

but can i ask.. which one will be better? Like for gaming wise?

I know they're both good.. but to play games with NO lags.. (well I guess they both can..)

mm.. how can one say which GPU is better?

If Nvidia didn't have physx and the 3D thing on the GTX460.. will the HD5850 still be around there?
 
I was just google-ing...

I found many brands that I can get from..

Here is a list.. Which one will be the best choice?

Galaxy GeForce GTX460 Super OC 1GB
Leadtek DI-LG460M7
Zotac GeForce GTX460 2GB
ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU TOP/2DI/1GD5
MSI N460GTX Hawk

Thanks
 
Do you currently have only 1x 2GB module installed? If that's the case, then try to get the same 2GB module, so that you can keep your existing motherboard. There's really no need for 8GB of RAM if you've managed with 2GB up till now!
Also, you want to run the memory in pairs of exactly the same modules (same size, timings and clock speed), otherwise you'll lose some performance (~15% memory performance, but not as much overall performance) due to it not running in dual channel mode.

Both the GTX 460 & HD 5850 requires 2x 6-pin PCI-E power connections, however they usually (if not always) do come with 1x Molex (4-pin) to 1x 6-pin adapters so that you can use it along with a 500W+ PSU that has only 1 connector.

It's really difficult to choose between the GTX 460 & HD 5850, as well as between the difference models and brands.
It all just comes down to what you're willing to spend (please note that these price ranges are just estimates):
  • GTX 460 1GB @ R1800 - R2300
  • GTX 460 OC 1GB @ R2300 - R2800
  • GTX 460 SOC 1GB @ R2800 - R3300
  • HD 5850 1GB @ R2700 - R3500
  • HD 5850 OC 1GB @ R3000 - R3900
Don't be fooled by marketing stuff with the GTX 460 models, where they'll say that the specific card has "Military Class" components.
The GTX 460 reference models comes standard with "Military Class" components :P and they can be overclocked reasonably well too, but the heatsink & cooler then comes into play!

Before buying a specific model, make sure that you read reviews of it first.

Currently I don't know which one to choose:
  • 1x MSI GTX 460 Cyclone OC 1GB @ R2507
  • 1x Gigabyte GTX 460 OC 1GB @ R2633
  • 1x Club3D HD 5850 1GB @ R2758
  • 2x Inno3D GTX 460 1GB @ R2068 each
All of the cards above use non-reference coolers, with the Inno3D GTX 460 1GB model's one being the poorest of them all since its very close to stock cooling, unlike the other cards with their high-end coolers.

Now I'm just waiting till 22 Oct... :)
 
Put in a SDD. It will improve your pc experience SO MUCH that you will wonder how you lived without it. Do that then decide if you still want to upgrade anything else.
 
kaisterkai said:
I was just google-ing...

I found many brands that I can get from..

Here is a list.. Which one will be the best choice?

Galaxy GeForce GTX460 Super OC 1GB
Leadtek DI-LG460M7
Zotac GeForce GTX460 2GB
ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU TOP/2DI/1GD5
MSI N460GTX Hawk

Thanks
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You do not need 8gb of ram, you won't notice a single difference over 4gb, so get another 2gb stick and leave it at that.

2gb cards are usually not worth the extra cash, unless you get it for the same price. In the majority of games it performs exactly the same, and in some cases a little worse I've seen (in reviews, I read a lot of them).

Out of those 460's the MSI Hawk is the one to go for, but I'd recommend saving some cash and getting a vanilla 460, they run quiet and cool and can overclock up to pretty much the same level, and even exhaust 40-50% of the hot air outside your case.

Maybe then you can spring for an i5 750/760 if your board will take it, and no you won't have to re-install your OS.
 
The gigabyte odin psus are crap. They are rated for peak not continuous. That "470" watt is actually a 390watt. The "585watt" is a 460watt. That's why the Odin GTs are so expensive. The Odin GT 550watt is almost double the price of the Odin 720watt for a reason.
 
Pada said:
What graphics card do you currently have?

I would strongly advise you to get a new power supply if you intend on upgrading!
The HD5830 could consume about 145W (~ 12A on the +12V rail) and the Odin 470 is rated at a VERY low 15A on the 2nd +12V rail.
You have to remember that the 2nd +12V rail is used for all the peripherals: graphics card, hard drives, dvd-writer & fans !

I would agree with Scoopy Doo, that you should rather just your upgrade RAM. If you have more money to spend, then upgrade graphics card and PSU, before upgrading CPU - unless you're using the PC more for work related stuff.

Also remember that the next gen AMD graphics cards will be released 22 Oct, however they will be available in SA yet at that time and might be expensive too. Hopefully the prices on the existing AMD graphics cards would drop though.
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that just made me laugh out load until everyone started looking at me :\ lolz embarrasing!
 
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