ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
This is what I want to know, but they will claim some kind of secrecy or something stupid if you ask me.
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New Dalai Lama visa row
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This is what I want to know, but they will claim some kind of secrecy or something stupid if you ask me.
I think Zaps would do it if you asked him. I have seen him credit folk out there for ideas, that is, if he hasn't already done one of these for the right dishonourable pres.
This is a burning question. Irritates the shyte out of me that our government has zero backbone. So busy licking and polishing the feet of their Rusky and Chinese lords
Dalai Lama Made Visa Application: Dept
Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama made a visa application in India for entry to South Africa, the international relations department said on Thursday.
"The South African High Commission in New Delhi... has received a visa application from the office of... the Dalai Lama for a planned visit... to South Africa," spokesman Clayson Monyela said in a statement.
"The application will be taken through normal due process. The relevant authorities will communicate with the applicant thereafter."
No further details were provided.
Earlier, the Cape Times reported that the Dalai Lama had again been refused entry to the country, this time for the 14th World Summit of Nobel Peace Laureates.
The Dalai Lama's representative in South Africa, Nangsa Choedon, said department officials phoned her office in the past week to say they would not be granting the visa. It had not yet received written confirmation.
"For now the Dalai Lama has decided to cancel his trip to South Africa," Choedon was quoted as saying.
The summit, an annual gathering, is being held in Cape Town next month. Arrangements were being made by a local organising committee formed by the foundations representing four South African laureates -- Anglican Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela, FW de Klerk, and Albert Luthuli.
The Cape Times reported that other Nobel Peace Laureates told Tutu they would not come if the Dalai Lama was not permitted to enter the country.
This was the third time in five years the Dalai Lama could not secure a visa to enter South Africa.
The department could not confirm or deny if the visa had been refused.
Cape Town mayor Patricia de Lille, who was hosting the event, had instructed city officials to write to the government to establish whether he had been denied a visa.
"We have not heard from them yet, but I will not give up hope that our government will not humiliate the Dalai Lama again," DeLille was quoted as saying.
Source : Sapa
Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama made a visa application in India for entry to South Africa, the international relations department said on Thursday.
"The South African High Commission in New Delhi... has received a visa application from the office of... the Dalai Lama for a planned visit... to South Africa," spokesman Clayson Monyela said in a statement.
"The application will be taken through normal due process. The relevant authorities will communicate with the applicant thereafter."
No further details were provided.
Earlier, the Cape Times reported that the Dalai Lama had again been refused entry to the country, this time for the 14th World Summit of Nobel Peace Laureates.
The Dalai Lama's representative in South Africa, Nangsa Choedon, said department officials phoned her office in the past week to say they would not be granting the visa. It had not yet received written confirmation.
"For now the Dalai Lama has decided to cancel his trip to South Africa," Choedon was quoted as saying.
The summit, an annual gathering, is being held in Cape Town next month. Arrangements were being made by a local organising committee formed by the foundations representing four South African laureates -- Anglican Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela, FW de Klerk, and Albert Luthuli.
The Cape Times reported that other Nobel Peace Laureates told Tutu they would not come if the Dalai Lama was not permitted to enter the country.
This was the third time in five years the Dalai Lama could not secure a visa to enter South Africa.
The department could not confirm or deny if the visa had been refused.
Cape Town mayor Patricia de Lille, who was hosting the event, had instructed city officials to write to the government to establish whether he had been denied a visa.
"We have not heard from them yet, but I will not give up hope that our government will not humiliate the Dalai Lama again," DeLille was quoted as saying.
Source : Sapa
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
This sounds suspiciously similar to the last episode if you ask me..
Make visa application, when it gets out that its been "denied", claim that its still in process.. delay process so that Dalai Lama can't get into the country to attend event....
Rinse and repeat every time.
Make visa application, when it gets out that its been "denied", claim that its still in process.. delay process so that Dalai Lama can't get into the country to attend event....
Rinse and repeat every time.
blunomore
Honorary Master
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
DALAI LAMA VISA APPLICATION CLOSED: DEPT
The Dalai Lama's visa application in India for entry to South Africa is a closed matter, and he has cancelled his trip, the international relations department said on Thursday.
"The [department] has received written confirmation from the office of His Holiness The Dalai Lama in India indicating that His Holiness has cancelled his planned visit to South Africa," spokesman Clayson Monyela said in a statement.
The department now considered the matter closed.
Earlier, the Cape Times reported that the Tibetan spiritual leader had again been refused entry to the country, this time for the 14th World Summit of Nobel Peace Laureates.
The Dalai Lama's representative in South Africa, Nangsa Choedon, said department officials phoned her office in the past week to say they would not be granting the visa. They had not yet received written confirmation.
"For now the Dalai Lama has decided to cancel his trip to South Africa," Choedon was quoted as saying.
The summit, an annual gathering, is being held in Cape Town next month. Arrangements were being made by a local organising committee formed by the foundations representing four South African laureates -- Anglican Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela, FW de Klerk, and Albert Luthuli.
The Cape Times reported that other Nobel Peace Laureates told Tutu they would not come if the Dalai Lama was not permitted to enter the country.
This was the third time in five years the Dalai Lama could not secure a visa to enter South Africa.
Cape Town mayor Patricia de Lille, who was hosting the event, had instructed city officials to write to the government to establish whether he had been denied a visa.
"We have not heard from them yet, but I will not give up hope that our government will not humiliate the Dalai Lama again," De Lille was quoted as saying.
At the time of the receipt of the notification, the South African High Commission in New Delhi was still processing the visa application in line with due process relating to visa applications.
Source : Sapa /kd/jk/th/lp
Date : 04 Sep 2014 16:21
The Dalai Lama's visa application in India for entry to South Africa is a closed matter, and he has cancelled his trip, the international relations department said on Thursday.
"The [department] has received written confirmation from the office of His Holiness The Dalai Lama in India indicating that His Holiness has cancelled his planned visit to South Africa," spokesman Clayson Monyela said in a statement.
The department now considered the matter closed.
Earlier, the Cape Times reported that the Tibetan spiritual leader had again been refused entry to the country, this time for the 14th World Summit of Nobel Peace Laureates.
The Dalai Lama's representative in South Africa, Nangsa Choedon, said department officials phoned her office in the past week to say they would not be granting the visa. They had not yet received written confirmation.
"For now the Dalai Lama has decided to cancel his trip to South Africa," Choedon was quoted as saying.
The summit, an annual gathering, is being held in Cape Town next month. Arrangements were being made by a local organising committee formed by the foundations representing four South African laureates -- Anglican Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela, FW de Klerk, and Albert Luthuli.
The Cape Times reported that other Nobel Peace Laureates told Tutu they would not come if the Dalai Lama was not permitted to enter the country.
This was the third time in five years the Dalai Lama could not secure a visa to enter South Africa.
Cape Town mayor Patricia de Lille, who was hosting the event, had instructed city officials to write to the government to establish whether he had been denied a visa.
"We have not heard from them yet, but I will not give up hope that our government will not humiliate the Dalai Lama again," De Lille was quoted as saying.
At the time of the receipt of the notification, the South African High Commission in New Delhi was still processing the visa application in line with due process relating to visa applications.
Source : Sapa /kd/jk/th/lp
Date : 04 Sep 2014 16:21
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
lol this old one again.... Tell him he can't come, wait until he cancels his trip, then announce to the world that he decided 'not to come'!
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
CHINA PRAISES SA OVER DALAI LAMA VISA ROW
China on Friday thanked South Africa and praised its "correct position" for apparently denying a visa to Nobel Peace Prize winner and Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama.
An aide to the Dalai Lama said on Thursday he had cancelled a trip to South Africa for a Nobel laureates' summit because Pretoria had denied him a visa to avoid angering Beijing.
Previous rejections of the Dalai Lama's visa requests by the African National Congress government have angered South Africans, who see it as a betrayal of the country's commitment to human rights since apartheid ended 20 years ago.
"China highly appreciates the support offered by the South African government on issues concerning China's sovereignty and territorial integrity," foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said at a regular briefing.
"We also believe that South Africa will continue to uphold this correct position and continue to support China in this regard."
South Africa has produced four Nobel peace laureates -- Albert Luthuli, Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela and FW de Klerk -- and foundations connected to each of them had backed the summit scheduled for Cape Town next month.
The Dalai Lama travelled to South Africa several times after the end of apartheid.
But his aide, Nangsa Choedon, told AFP that Pretoria had "conveyed by phone to me they will not be able to grant the visa for the reason that it would disturb relations between China and South Africa".
China, which accuses the Dalai Lama of secretly seeking Tibet's independence, regularly deploys its economic and political muscle to pressure governments to limit contact with him.
Beijing is South Africa's biggest single trading partner, with two-way trade worth $21 billion in 2012. Both countries also co-operate in the BRICS grouping of emerging economies along with Brazil, India and Russia.
Qin reiterated Beijing's view of the Dalai Lama.
"The Dalai Lama is a political exile who has long been engaged in activities sabotaging China's sovereignty and integrity under the cloak of religion," he said.
"The Chinese government is firmly opposed to the Dalai's anti-China separatist activities in foreign countries."
Source : Sapa-AFP /ma/jk/ar
Date : 05 Sep 2014 11:41
China on Friday thanked South Africa and praised its "correct position" for apparently denying a visa to Nobel Peace Prize winner and Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama.
An aide to the Dalai Lama said on Thursday he had cancelled a trip to South Africa for a Nobel laureates' summit because Pretoria had denied him a visa to avoid angering Beijing.
Previous rejections of the Dalai Lama's visa requests by the African National Congress government have angered South Africans, who see it as a betrayal of the country's commitment to human rights since apartheid ended 20 years ago.
"China highly appreciates the support offered by the South African government on issues concerning China's sovereignty and territorial integrity," foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said at a regular briefing.
"We also believe that South Africa will continue to uphold this correct position and continue to support China in this regard."
South Africa has produced four Nobel peace laureates -- Albert Luthuli, Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela and FW de Klerk -- and foundations connected to each of them had backed the summit scheduled for Cape Town next month.
The Dalai Lama travelled to South Africa several times after the end of apartheid.
But his aide, Nangsa Choedon, told AFP that Pretoria had "conveyed by phone to me they will not be able to grant the visa for the reason that it would disturb relations between China and South Africa".
China, which accuses the Dalai Lama of secretly seeking Tibet's independence, regularly deploys its economic and political muscle to pressure governments to limit contact with him.
Beijing is South Africa's biggest single trading partner, with two-way trade worth $21 billion in 2012. Both countries also co-operate in the BRICS grouping of emerging economies along with Brazil, India and Russia.
Qin reiterated Beijing's view of the Dalai Lama.
"The Dalai Lama is a political exile who has long been engaged in activities sabotaging China's sovereignty and integrity under the cloak of religion," he said.
"The Chinese government is firmly opposed to the Dalai's anti-China separatist activities in foreign countries."
Source : Sapa-AFP /ma/jk/ar
Date : 05 Sep 2014 11:41
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Put him on Skype.
Sideshow Bob
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blunomore
Honorary Master
Masters of obfuscation.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
GOVERNMENT DISINGENUOUS ABOUT DALAI LAMA VISA: DE LILLE
The national government is being disingenuous about the Dalai Lama's visa application in India for entry to South Africa, Cape Town mayor Patricia de Lille said on Friday.
She said officials of the international relations department contacted the spiritual leader's office to inform them that the South African government would not grant him a visa to attend a summit due to sensitivities related to the Chinese government.
This was according to representatives from the offices in the country and in India, she said.
"This makes [the department's] statement of yesterday [Thursday], that they were processing his visa application using normal processes, entirely disingenuous.
"The fact is that, on the basis of the national government's telephonic contact with the office of the Dalai Lama, it was clear that his application was going to be refused and His Holiness withdrew his application to avoid any further embarrassment," De Lille said.
The department on Thursday said the Dalai Lama's visa application was a closed matter, and that he had cancelled his trip.
"The [department] has received written confirmation from the office of His Holiness The Dalai Lama in India indicating that His Holiness has cancelled his planned visit to South Africa," spokesman Clayson Monyela said in a statement.
The Cape Times had reported earlier on Thursday that the Tibetan spiritual leader had again been refused entry to the country, this time for the 14th World Summit of Nobel Peace Laureates.
His representative in South Africa, Nangsa Choedon, said department officials phoned her office in the past week to say they would not be granting the visa. They had not yet received written confirmation.
"For now the Dalai Lama has decided to cancel his trip to South Africa," Choedon was quoted as saying.
The summit, an annual gathering, is being held in Cape Town next month. De Lille will host the event.
Arrangements were being made by a local organising committee formed by the foundations representing four South African laureates -- Anglican Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela, FW de Klerk, and Albert Luthuli.
The Cape Times reported that other Nobel Peace Laureates told Tutu they would not come if the Dalai Lama was not permitted to enter the country.
This was the third time in five years the Dalai Lama could not secure a visa to enter South Africa.
"It is indeed a dark day for South Africa when the ideals for which Nelson Mandela and so many others fought are sold to the highest bidder," De Lille said on Thursday.
The summit would continue as planned.
The four foundations would write to President Jacob Zuma asking him to intervene and ensure a visa was granted so that he could attend the summit.
A number of laureates had already signed a petition, she said.
"If this last attempt at securing a visa is unsuccessful, the programme of the summit will be adapted to ensure that the Nobel Peace Laureates can make a powerful symbolic protest of the Dalai Lama's treatment."
Source : Sapa /mr/jk/ar/lp
Date : 05 Sep 2014 14:42
The national government is being disingenuous about the Dalai Lama's visa application in India for entry to South Africa, Cape Town mayor Patricia de Lille said on Friday.
She said officials of the international relations department contacted the spiritual leader's office to inform them that the South African government would not grant him a visa to attend a summit due to sensitivities related to the Chinese government.
This was according to representatives from the offices in the country and in India, she said.
"This makes [the department's] statement of yesterday [Thursday], that they were processing his visa application using normal processes, entirely disingenuous.
"The fact is that, on the basis of the national government's telephonic contact with the office of the Dalai Lama, it was clear that his application was going to be refused and His Holiness withdrew his application to avoid any further embarrassment," De Lille said.
The department on Thursday said the Dalai Lama's visa application was a closed matter, and that he had cancelled his trip.
"The [department] has received written confirmation from the office of His Holiness The Dalai Lama in India indicating that His Holiness has cancelled his planned visit to South Africa," spokesman Clayson Monyela said in a statement.
The Cape Times had reported earlier on Thursday that the Tibetan spiritual leader had again been refused entry to the country, this time for the 14th World Summit of Nobel Peace Laureates.
His representative in South Africa, Nangsa Choedon, said department officials phoned her office in the past week to say they would not be granting the visa. They had not yet received written confirmation.
"For now the Dalai Lama has decided to cancel his trip to South Africa," Choedon was quoted as saying.
The summit, an annual gathering, is being held in Cape Town next month. De Lille will host the event.
Arrangements were being made by a local organising committee formed by the foundations representing four South African laureates -- Anglican Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela, FW de Klerk, and Albert Luthuli.
The Cape Times reported that other Nobel Peace Laureates told Tutu they would not come if the Dalai Lama was not permitted to enter the country.
This was the third time in five years the Dalai Lama could not secure a visa to enter South Africa.
"It is indeed a dark day for South Africa when the ideals for which Nelson Mandela and so many others fought are sold to the highest bidder," De Lille said on Thursday.
The summit would continue as planned.
The four foundations would write to President Jacob Zuma asking him to intervene and ensure a visa was granted so that he could attend the summit.
A number of laureates had already signed a petition, she said.
"If this last attempt at securing a visa is unsuccessful, the programme of the summit will be adapted to ensure that the Nobel Peace Laureates can make a powerful symbolic protest of the Dalai Lama's treatment."
Source : Sapa /mr/jk/ar/lp
Date : 05 Sep 2014 14:42
MickeyD
RIP
upup
Executive Member
If he was a islam chap, there would be big parades.
Chris14
Expert Member
Who cares about Dalai Lama! What positives will he bring to SA?
MickeyD
RIP
NO VISA FOR DALAI LAMA: SACP
The SA Communist Party called on government on Sunday to never grant the Dalai Lama a visa to visit South Africa, following the cancellation of his trip to the country.
"The SACP in fact welcomes the cancellation of this planned visit," spokesman Alex Mashilo said in a statement.
"In fact the SACP calls upon government not to grant the Dalai Lama a visa to visit our country."
The Tibetan spiritual leader cancelled a trip to South Africa for the 14th World Summit of Nobel Peace Laureates because he had reportedly been denied a visa.
It was not the first rejection the Dalai Lama has faced from South African border officials.
He was forced to cancel plans to attend Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu's 80th birthday celebration in October 2011, due to the visa application delay. Tutu was outraged and accused the government of being worse than the apartheid-era one.
It was believed at the time government was bowing to pressure from China, a major trading partner for South Africa.
South Africa has produced four Nobel peace laureates -- Albert Luthuli, Tutu, Nelson Mandela and FW de Klerk -- and foundations connected to each of them had backed the summit scheduled for Cape Town next month.
The Dalai Lama travelled to South Africa several times after the end of apartheid.
Mashilo said the aim of the Dalai Lama's visit to South Africa was to continue relentlessly pursuing his agenda, being Tibet's secession from China,
"As the SACP we are opposed to this, as there is only one China and that Tibet, like Taiwan, has always been part of China," he said.
"In addition, China had, for decades, stood with us in our struggle against apartheid and refused to recognise the apartheid agenda to balkanise our country into a 'white' South Africa and several Bantustans."
Mashilo said the party refused to be associated with an agenda that was aimed at undermining the sovereignty and national unity of China.
Source : Sapa /kn/aw
Date : 07 Sep 2014 16:56
The SA Communist Party called on government on Sunday to never grant the Dalai Lama a visa to visit South Africa, following the cancellation of his trip to the country.
"The SACP in fact welcomes the cancellation of this planned visit," spokesman Alex Mashilo said in a statement.
"In fact the SACP calls upon government not to grant the Dalai Lama a visa to visit our country."
The Tibetan spiritual leader cancelled a trip to South Africa for the 14th World Summit of Nobel Peace Laureates because he had reportedly been denied a visa.
It was not the first rejection the Dalai Lama has faced from South African border officials.
He was forced to cancel plans to attend Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu's 80th birthday celebration in October 2011, due to the visa application delay. Tutu was outraged and accused the government of being worse than the apartheid-era one.
It was believed at the time government was bowing to pressure from China, a major trading partner for South Africa.
South Africa has produced four Nobel peace laureates -- Albert Luthuli, Tutu, Nelson Mandela and FW de Klerk -- and foundations connected to each of them had backed the summit scheduled for Cape Town next month.
The Dalai Lama travelled to South Africa several times after the end of apartheid.
Mashilo said the aim of the Dalai Lama's visit to South Africa was to continue relentlessly pursuing his agenda, being Tibet's secession from China,
"As the SACP we are opposed to this, as there is only one China and that Tibet, like Taiwan, has always been part of China," he said.
"In addition, China had, for decades, stood with us in our struggle against apartheid and refused to recognise the apartheid agenda to balkanise our country into a 'white' South Africa and several Bantustans."
Mashilo said the party refused to be associated with an agenda that was aimed at undermining the sovereignty and national unity of China.
Source : Sapa /kn/aw
Date : 07 Sep 2014 16:56
daveza
Honorary Master
Hardly the point.
Our country is being held to ransom by the Chinese - while Zumas foreign buddies are able to land at our military base.
He teaches the techniques of cultivating compassion.
I can't think of anything this country needs more than compassion.
http://www.spiritsound.com/bhikshu.html
But I guess materialism, violence and greed are more important to most people