New PC: 15k budget

the eskimo

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I'm in the market for a new PC, I'll be using my old core2quad as a download and Media PC.

I have a case, ssd and hard drives.

Requirements:
- At least 16GB Ram for a specialised audio application I use.
- At least a Quad Core i7 or similar AMD CPU for a specialised audio application I use.
- A graphics card that will let me play the latest FPS (COD: Advanced Warfare etc)
- A suitable PSU

I've had a look at the following:
R 10,298 MSI Z97 Gaming 7 Motherboard - Intel Core i7 4790K CPU - Crucial Ballistix TT 16GB 1866MHz (Evetech bundle)
R 3,299 PowerColor AXR9 280X (Wootware)
R 1,062 Antec TruePower, 650w, 80 PLUS Gold (Rebeltech)
R 199 LG Super Multi DVD/RW (Various)

TOTAL: R14,858

Thoughts?
 
My recommendation is that you do NOT need a hyper-marked-up-ripoff gaming motherboard. That is eating up much of your budget above. A normal motherboard will have all the exact same PCI-e, USB stuff to plug your stuff in and cost much less.

Rather use the saved money on a Solid State Harddrive (SSD) or upping the graphics card.
 
My recommendation is that you do NOT need a hyper-marked-up-ripoff gaming motherboard. That is eating up much of your budget above. A normal motherboard will have all the exact same PCI-e, USB stuff to plug your stuff in and cost much less.

Rather use the saved money on a Solid State Harddrive (SSD) or upping the graphics card.


Thanks. Do have a Corsair M550 256GB ssd that I will be using.

So I could do:
R 8,898 MSI ZH87-G43 Gaming Motherboard - Intel Core i7 4790K CPU - Crucial Ballistix TT 16GB 1866MHz (Evetech)
R 4,299 PowerColor AXR9 290 (Wootware)
R 1,299 Antec TP-750C 750W GOLD (Evetech)
R 199 LG Super Multi

TOTAL R14,695

I'll get a better PSU (when i decide to CrossfireX perhaps), a better Graphics Card, and a cheaper (R1300 less) motherboard.

I'm also undecided if I should do the upgrade now, or wait for skylake (2H 2015) for the CPU+Mobo+Ram upgrade and just do a GPU upgrade for now as that's the main problem from me playing the latest games.
 
Specialised audio program? You mean you're building up a DAC that may also be able to play games when you're not working?
 
Why are you getting the highest end possible CPU? Really for a gaming setup GPU > everything. So if there's a tradeoff it should be towards getting a GTX970 and a smaller CPU and less fancy motherboard.
 
Specialised audio program? You mean you're building up a DAC that may also be able to play games when you're not working?

Something along those lines. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauptwerk).

Why are you getting the highest end possible CPU? Really for a gaming setup GPU > everything. So if there's a tradeoff it should be towards getting a GTX970 and a smaller CPU and less fancy motherboard.

The primary use would be audio applications ahead of gaming. Live playback of 1000+ samples simultaneously + effects + multichannel audio require the best CPU I can afford within the budget. If I could, I'd go hexacore (5820k), but with DDR4 and socket 2011 mobos as expensive as they are, that's not viable right now.

The 4790k has higher clock speed, more cache, and hyperthreading when compared to say the 4690k. These are all advantageous. I'm not too sure how a non-K 4790 would perform, but I may consider overclocking at a later time.
 
Got this from nag.co.za, SYSTEM BUILDERS GUIDE: JANUARY R12,000 TO R18,000

"Hello, boys and girls, welcome to the second System Builders Guide for January 2015. Here we’re going into the mid-range builds, which typically offer you much more bang for your buck and a good deal of performance hidden away behind software sliders and BIOS settings to increase clock speeds. This is the second guide to have a AMD FX processor make an appearance and I hope it’s not going to be the last. On the eve of the GTX 960 launch, it’s also pretty surprising to see Nvidia’s GTX 970 come down in pricing as slowly as it has in recent weeks. Is Nvidia sitting on their laurels, knowing they have little real incentive to engage in a price war with AMD? I believe that’s the case, although our readers may say differently (and if you do, chat about it in the comments!). On to the builds!

R12,000 Budget – Almost Hitting The Spot

2560 x 1440 with High details and 4x AA, UltraHD 4K with Medium settings and 2x AA
Processor AMD Vishera FX-8350 4.0-4.2GHz Unlocked R2568
CPU Cooler Zalman CNPS10X Optima R333
Motherboard MSI 970 Gaming socket AM3+ ATX R1370
Memory Kingston HyperX Fury Black 2x 4GB DDR3-1866 R1130
Graphics PowerColor Radeon R9 290 4GB GDDR5 R4299
Power supply Antec TruePower TP-650C 650W R1063
Chassis Cooler Master Centurion 6 Silver R703
Optical drive –
Hard drive WD Caviar Blue 1TB 7200RPM R727
Solid state drive Corsair Force LX 128GB (Silicon Motion) R865
Total (Rands): R11,928
Kicking off the mid-week guide, we stop at the new R12,000 budget. Lifting most of the choices from the R10,000 build and carrying it on, I’ve made several changes which will make it a different beast altogether. We’re sticking to the combination of a Zalman air cooler, the AMD FX-8350 and the MSI 970 Gaming with matching black-shrouded memory. So platform-wise, nothing much changes.

We do make big switches where performance really counts, though. Dropping the PowerColor R9 270X seems fair considering we’re swapping in the much, much more powerful Radeon R9 290. With a meaty 4GB VRAM and a 512-bit memory bus, its right at home with resolutions like UltraHD 4K and its entirely capable of running a triple 1080p Eyefinity setup all on its own. Plus, we’re getting access to the FreeSync adaptive refresh standard and a host of other features like AMD TrueAudio.

To keep the R9 290 fed, I’ve also switched to the Antec TruePower 650W. Built by Seasonic, this unit is easily capable of doing the job of keeping this rig fed with clean power, but it lacks modular cables which can be a bit of a downer. Hiding them inside the Centurion 6 is easy, though, so there’s not much to worry about there.

Finally, a SSD fits into the budget, courtesy of Corsair’s Force LX family. The Silicon Motion controller is a four-channel part and very cheap to make, so that helps with the costs of packaging the SSD quite a bit. At R865, we’re paying R6.75 per GB of drive space, which is fantastic and far below my R10/GB threshold. A SSD isn’t strictly necessary here, but the budget allowed for it. Ponying up for a 256GB drive would add another R600 though, so I’ll leave that decision up to you.

R14,000 Budget – The Sweet Spot

2560 x 1440 with Ultra details and 4x AA, UltraHD 4K with Medium settings and 2x AA
Processor Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5-3.9GHz Unlocked LGA1150 R3137
CPU Cooler Zalman CNPS10X Optima R333
Motherboard MSI Z97S SLI Krait LGA 1150 R2032
Memory Kingston HyperX Fury White 2x 4GB DDR3-1866 R1174
Graphics Gigabyte Geforce GTX 970 Windforce3X OC 4GB GDDR5 R5089
Power supply Antec TruePower TP-650C 650W R1063
Chassis Cooler Master Centurion 6 Silver R703
Optical drive
Hard drive WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM R769
Solid state drive –
Total (Rands): R14,300
We return to the infamous cookie-cutter Intel build – a Core i5 K-series chip, a Z-series motherboard, a decent air cooler and 8GB RAM. Its pretty much a platform all on its own and it’s been a huge success for Intel, offering the best compromise of price and raw performance. Compared to the AMD setup in the previous build, the Core i5-4690K will stomp all over it in lightly threaded applications, but will lose in the long run in workloads like video encoding and editing.

The MSI Z97S SLI Krait is an interesting proposition and I wanted to see how far I could get things to match with it. The Kingston modules get swapped out for identical ones with a white shroud and the Cooler Master case has silver strips on the outer edges that sort of match. There’s a massive modding scene focused on colour coordination, so this is a good start if you want a black-and-white theme for your build. This also happens to be one of the cheapest Z97 motherboards certified for SLI, so that works for me.

Precisely why is because we’ve switched to the Geforce GTX 970. The equal of the R9 290, there’s not much that would justify buying any GPU more powerful than this. Perhaps if you’re gaming at UltraHD 4K most of the time the case could be made for a R9 290x or a GTX 980. This also works out well for any future SLI builds, as the GTX 970 adds less than 180W of power draw to the system and runs cooler and quieter than any R9 290. Nvidia’s focus on efficiency is working for them and builds such as these end up being both powerful and whisper-quiet.

Unfortunately, there were sacrifices made to accommodate the GTX 970 from Gigabyte, so I elected to not change the chassis and dropped the SSD to compensate. We’re over budget now, but just barely and its arguably worth it considering what we’ve ended up with – a slightly faster, cooler, quieter and more efficient computer.

While I used to have a R16,000 build in this space here, there’s not much that a extra R2000 will net you to improve performance over what we have here. However, if you do have the money, spring for Crucial’s M550 256GB, it’ll give you a hefty boost in useability.

R18,000 Budget – Not Quite High-End

2560 x 1440 with Ultra details and 4x AA, UltraHD 4K with Medium settings and 2x AA
Processor Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5-3.9GHz Unlocked LGA1150 R3137
CPU Cooler Cooler Master Nepton 140XL water cooler all-in-one R1045
Motherboard Gigabyte Z97X Gaming 5 LGA 1150 R2502
Memory Kingston HyperX Fury Black 2x 4GB DDR3-1866 R1130
Graphics Gigabyte Geforce GTX 970 Windforce3X OC 4GB GDDR5 R5089
Power supply Antec TruePower TP-650C 650W R1063
Chassis Cooler Master CM690 III Mid Tower R1150
Optical drive
Hard drive WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM R769
Solid state drive Crucial M550 256GB SSD R2204
Total (Rands): R16,246
We come to the last build for today and it’s pretty similar to the R14,000 build. There’s little else that can match the Core i5-4690K for performance and value, so we’re sticking with it for now. Here I’ve concentrated on just pumping out more performance, so the Cooler Master tower cooler gets chucked out for an all-in-one water cooler setup with the Nepton 140XL. Going for a 240mm radiator at this point seems pointless because the processor isn’t going to create tremendous amounts of heat and in any case, I’d prefer to leave spots for 240mm radiators open for custom water-cooling loops that owners might want to switch to.

Given the fact that we’re not able to spring for the Core i7-4790K, I chose to move up to a better motherboard more suited to overclocking. Compared to the Z97S SLI Krait, we’re still retaining features like M.2 and SATA Express support, but now we also have the better Realtek ALC1150 on-board sound with Gigabyte’s AMP-Up technology. If you want to push bigger and better headhones using the onboard audio, you can switch out to better-performing amps and simply plug the module into the board when its off. Its a really neat feature to separate Gigabyte from its competitors.

Because we’re blessed with a higher budget, I also improve the chassis and SSD situation, moving to the Cooler Master CM690 III, which is just as roomy as some more expensive and larger full-size chassis. Crucial’s M550 takes up the job of being the system’s boot drive for Windows and your games and it’s currently rocking out on its own, as Samsung’s 850 Pro isn’t sitting at the same price point and Intel’s 530 doesn’t seem to want to play ball. If they continue like this, Crucial might end up dominating the market after all.

That’s all that we have for this week folks! Tune in this time next week for the high-end builds. Catch you next time, BYEEEEEEE!
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Eventually bought everything. Waiting for delivery:

Intel 4790k
MSI Z97M gaming
Gigabyte GTX 970 3X OC
32GB (4x8GB) G-Skill Sniper 1866Mhz
Corsair 350D
Corsair H110
Thermaltake Litepower 650W
LG superMulti DVDRW

All new would cost more than 20k, but using Kalahari Tablet vouchers, a small wootware giftcard, and sorting out a bundle deal through a retailer, I'm getting everything for just over 15k. Thanks to all for your assistance.
 
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