New PC - POST ISSUES

killadoob said:
nope biteme he aint

i had ones that clip off nice and easy and other ones i have ripped off in a rage, lucky for me i have a few sitting around from installing zalman's and such

the worst thing to do when trying to get those off is freak out because you have not had a ciggie in an hour haha
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so, all you are saying is that you and him are doing it wrong. not much credibility.

and a google search shows a heck of a lot of other people are also doing it wrong.
how suprising.

i'm not having a pop t you, just saying that there are engineers at intel a fsck sight cleverer than you and me, and the heatsink is pretty easy to take off and put on, even without tools. you just have to do it right.

my "place" fits around 300 of these a day, immigrant polish chaps can learn how to do it in 5 minutes, and then dont struggle at all from there onwards.
so you are doing it wrong.

i will admit though, with the motherboard mounted in a tower case, you gonna struggle unless you lay the case down flat.

and you DONT fit it, or undo it, in a clockwise or anticlockwise fashion, that is how they end up getting stuck. pretend you are doing up a cylinder head. if you fit it incorrectly then you may slightly crush one or two of the black tabs that go through the motherboard locating holes, then it becomes problematic to get off. like i said, if it is difficult then you have done it wrong.

now look what you made me do, i had to type more than one paragraph just coz of you.
 
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BiteMe said:
and you DONT fit it, or undo it, in a clockwise or anticlockwise fashion, that is how they end up getting stuck. pretend you are doing up a cylinder head. if you fit it incorrectly then you may slightly crush one or two of the black tabs that go through the motherboard locating holes, then it becomes problematic to get off. like i said, if it is difficult then you have done it wrong.

now look what you made me do, i had to type more than one paragraph just coz of you.
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Straight from the Install manual for heatsink : "To remove the heatsink, disconnect fan cable. Rotate each fastener 1/4 turn COUNTER CLOCKWISE using a flathead screwdriver."

Guess you must be alot smarter than those boys from Intel going against the manual instructions then telling us we are doing it wrong for following them.

Not having a go at you or anything :P
J
 
sigh
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gimme a hammer.
ffs

could someone please explain to this guy what i meant because i have now lost the will to do so.


p.s. now i am having a go at you.
you stick a motherboar don a bloody metal bag, the thing wont post, then you deny you did anything wrong, and now you are arguing with me abotu how to put a heatsink on, when you yourself admitted that last thing Intel thing you built was for mr noah to use as a gps on the fukken ark.

god dammit
 
Its still on the bag and works fine - no issue - on or off it works - was a short somewhere but it wasnt bag. Haha and yeah true last intel thing I built **** I dont even remember, even my 486 was a cyrix and then it was amd athlon so yeah heatsink is a tad diff , sue me - but you dont make sense the way you write :P

J

BiteMe said:
sigh
sigh
sigh


gimme a hammer.
ffs

could someone please explain to this guy what i meant because i have now lost the will to do so.


p.s. now i am having a go at you.
you stick a motherboar don a bloody metal bag, the thing wont post, then you deny you did anything wrong, and now you are arguing with me abotu how to put a heatsink on, when you yourself admitted that last thing Intel thing you built was for mr noah to use as a gps on the fukken ark.

god dammit
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the 4 black things.
dont do top left, then top right, then bottom right then bottom left.

do top left (near psu, coz it is the most difficult to get to)
then
bottom right

then bottom left

then top right

undo in the same sequence, YES, a quarter turn anticlockwise on the retainer, first top left, then bottom right, then bottom left then top right.
i.e. not in a clockwise or anticlockwise direction, but criss-cross.
now that all retainers are in the unlocked position, pull up on them, in the same sequence. heatsink comes off. some may have popped loose by themselves when you placed them in the unlocked position, that is fine, ignore it and carry on with your sequence.

happy now? want a picture?

anti-static bags are call this because they are good at conducting static away from the components.
the most effective anti-static bag is a piece of tinfoil wrapped around the component. but we cant coz that is too costly so they take a plastic bag and stray it with conducting stuff. dont believe me? get a multimeter on it and set it to ohms. you still have your mobo on the bag, and it is still working..the only thing this proves is that your time hasnt come yet.
 
Meh windows install crashes on 19 mins remaining when it gets to the bit about start menu etc - BSOD :( gonna format and give it another go or kubuntu on you go - I know this install works it used to be on my old machine before I put kubuntu on that so.... Comes up with a page file not loaded or some such during BSOD.

Meh another way windows wants to force me to use linux.

J
 
According to google there is no harm/foul leaving mboard on the metal shielded bag - no nasty side effects apart from the fact that leaving it on top doesnt provide any anti static protection unless you put it in the bag.

And meh according to google and atleast 3 other people on this forum those heatsinks suck balls to install/remove - maybe I did it wrong but I followed manual and apparently so did many people on google and they also had issues.

Thanks for the advice.
J

BiteMe said:
the 4 black things.
dont do top left, then top right, then bottom right then bottom left.

do top left (near psu, coz it is the most difficult to get to)
then
bottom right

then bottom left

then top right

undo in the same sequence, YES, a quarter turn anticlockwise on the retainer, first top left, then bottom right, then bottom left then top right.
i.e. not in a clockwise or anticlockwise direction, but criss-cross.
now that all retainers are in the unlocked position, pull up on them, in the same sequence. heatsink comes off. some may have popped loose by themselves when you placed them in the unlocked position, that is fine, ignore it and carry on with your sequence.

happy now? want a picture?

anti-static bags are call this because they are good at conducting static away from the components.
the most effective anti-static bag is a piece of tinfoil wrapped around the component. but we cant coz that is too costly so they take a plastic bag and stray it with conducting stuff. dont believe me? get a multimeter on it and set it to ohms. you still have your mobo on the bag, and it is still working..the only thing this proves is that your time hasnt come yet.
about the bag..it is anti-st
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lol i never had to use a manual to remove the heatsink, seems pretty easy to me and i do happen to remove quite a lot of them :)
 
Ok first things first, never minding the issue about removing the heatsink there is a certain important point the heatsink expert forgot to mention:

Those heatsinks use a heat pad, and it's one time so strictly speaking once it's melted (which it did that's why it's so hard to remove) you are not supposed to use it again, if you have heat issue's I suggest you get a new heatsink, after market Zalman or Thermalright if you want to repeatedly remove it, they use thermal paste rather than the pads.

EDIT: Btw. the chances of you damaging the CPU with the wiggling is almost zero, most "experienced installers" that work for places like Matrix just remove the CPU with the heatsink still attached and later put it back like that (DON'T EVER DO THAT), the pins on the motherboard are sensitive to bend but the CPU itself can handle quite a bit of force because it is protected by the shim that covers the die.

Obviously something shorted on your first install, in my experience that usually causes damage to the PSU.

So your first suspect should be the PSU, second the motherboard then the RAM then the CPU and finally the GPU.

Firstly I would check with another PSU if I were you, does your PSU make any noises? Multi-meters don't always pick up PSU issue's so your only choice is to use another PSU that you can confirm works to test the rig.

Secondly I would test the RAM, for that nothing beats Memtest x86+ BUT you must run it for at least 24hrs to be safe, it doesn't put stress on the CPU at all that is why it is the best application to test RAM with.

Thirdly if that isn't the issue you should run Prime95 but seeing as you can't even get into Windows you obviously have a serious problem so best use Mersenne Prime Test (google Ultimate Boot CD), it'll crash the PC within seconds if it's the CPU because the PC is so unstable, just a note, Mersenne Prime can crash on Memory errors also, and a bad PSU will also cause serious voltage issues causing the PC to either crash or shutdown immediately.

The problem is you need components to swap out to debug the system and find the fault, if you don't have any other components it can be hard to find the fault with such a unstable system, might be easier to take it to someone who has the knowhow and equipment.

EDIT: Btw. BiteMe is right about the anti-static bag they conduct! Tomshardware submerged a PC in distilled water and had issue's you reported, basically the water changed the capacitance because it's slightly conductive, DON'T leave the motherboard on the bag, put it on that foam that came in the motherboard box (unless they don't give you those anymore).
 
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Thanks for the replies Gnome - most helpful :)

With regards to the bag - I had already removed it as per BiteMe's suggestion - I just like yanking his chain - seems like a highly strung fellow :P

Thanks
J
 
jsheed_sa said:
Thanks for the replies Gnome - most helpful :)

With regards to the bag - I had already removed it as per BiteMe's suggestion - I just like yanking his chain - seems like a highly strung fellow :P

Thanks
J
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Right :p well let us know what the outcome was.
 
I had an issue with my windows install only getting a certain distance and it turned out to be a faulty mobo. Took it back to Rectron, got it replaced and bam-zip-pow suddenly it all worked.
 
BiteMe said:
you stick a motherboar don a bloody metal bag, the thing wont post, then you deny you did anything wrong, and now you are arguing with me abotu how to put a heatsink on, when you yourself admitted that last thing Intel thing you built was for mr noah to use as a gps on the fukken ark.
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ROFL! Your posts on this thread are brilliant - they get my vote for funniest posts of the week!

:D:D
 
Seems to be ok - what i'll do is run it for a week put it through its paces and see what happens - had bsod , changed install disk and it was fine - so we shall see - trying pclinux os out.

J
 
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