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mikeyKNVB11

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what are the retentions for:

news.mweb.co.za
news.saix.net
news.is.co.za ???

i read somewhere that it is around 200 days, but why? why can't it be more? or can i get it increased somehow?

thanks in advance
 
Text files have longer retentions. Copyright infringements, like TV shows, have shorter retentions.
 
Binaries is like 200days if you are lucky. Maybe a bit less. NOT more than 200
 
While we are on this topic..

I always heard that news.saix.net mirrors the Giganews servers. Do they really? That would be a awfully huge amount of data even at 200 days.

Giganews has over 500 day retention but saix only around 200 days.

If this 200 day retention was really mirrored locally why would we need cache?

Don't they just pipe your connection for anything that is not cached over to the international servers and if so why the 200 day limit on that?

Just curious.
 
AnimateX said:
While we are on this topic..

I always heard that news.saix.net mirrors the Giganews servers. Do they really? That would be a awfully huge amount of data even at 200 days.

Giganews has over 500 day retention but saix only around 200 days.

If this 200 day retention was really mirrored locally why would we need cache?

Don't they just pipe your connection for anything that is not cached over to the international servers and if so why the 200 day limit on that?

Just curious.
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Not quite right from what I understand.
They CACHE - and for a short time (or more to the point, they only cache a little data, and the older stuff is purged. Since they only have small cache storage space, the purge rate is high).

So, if you are the first to download something, they pull it from GigaNews and cache it. For the next 12-36 hours or something, it is cached locally.
 
Moederloos said:
Not quite right from what I understand.
They CACHE - and for a short time (or more to the point, they only cache a little data, and the older stuff is purged. Since they only have small cache storage space, the purge rate is high).

So, if you are the first to download something, they pull it from GigaNews and cache it. For the next 12-36 hours or something, it is cached locally.
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Thanks for the reply :)

I get what you said, makes more sense to me now.

So if Giganews has 500 days of articles then it would be saix posing a 200-day limit on the date of the article it will retrieve. I suppose the limit is there to focus the limited cache space on more recent articles.

Maybe this helps with the parent's question too.
 
mikeyKNVB11 said:
ok but WHY is it only 200 days? why isn't it like 600?
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The traffic is probably higher on newer articles. They limit the date range so that the cache has a higher probability of keeping newer articles cached. Saves on international bandwidth.

At least that's my theory. Anyone free to point out if I'm on the wrong track here.
 
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sigh so i cant get any old stuff unless i pay per month on international news sites? that defeats the object though, coz i wana use local cap...isn't there a way to get older files?
 
mikeyKNVB11 said:
sigh so i cant get any old stuff unless i pay per month on international news sites? that defeats the object though, coz i wana use local cap...isn't there a way to get older files?
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Hu?
It just takes longer to get the stuff you want if it's not cache'd from the local news server, cos it has to be retrieved from the international one. But you're still only using your local bandwidth, because you're still retrieving it from the local server.
 
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mikeyKNVB11 said:
sigh so i cant get any old stuff unless i pay per month on international news sites? that defeats the object though, coz i wana use local cap...isn't there a way to get older files?
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If you want longer than 200 day retention you will have to pay for an account over-seas, and yes you will have to use international bandwidth.

There are no local pay-servers like this that I know of. Would be nice but it doesn't seem profitable at our international bandwidth rates.
 
davemc said:
Hu?
It just takes longer to get the stuff you want if it's not cache'd from the local news server, cos it has to be retrieved from the international one. But you're still only using your local bandwidth, because you're still retrieving it from the local server.
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havnt u been reading? i cant download stuff older than 200 days on local news servers, so i hav to pay for an international one now (which i'm not going to)
 
mikeyKNVB11 said:
havnt u been reading? i cant download stuff older than 200 days on local news servers, so i hav to pay for an international one now (which i'm not going to)
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Let me guess. You started a large download but it went past the 200 day retention before you could finish it and now you stuck with half a file? Seems the most likely reason you seem so perturbed by the limit.
 
no, i downloaded a nzb that was over 200 days after paying for VIP access to nzbmatrix.com, but the downloads didnt work. why the hell are there 2 retentions?! one for the site and one for the news server....so retarded
 
Each news server has there own policies concerning retention.

NZBmatrix does not host the content, only the nzb files. They have there own retentions for the nzb file to properly control storage space on their servers.
--- (look at the Added to Usenet: 2/15/2010 8:47:36 PM GMT, 2 d ago) This is only age you should be looking at. The age of the post on usenet.
 
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