Notebook slow at times

|tera| said:
Learn to read next time and leave the sarcasm and insults out of the equation if someone takes time to assist you.
I did ask you to reinsert the battery and subsequently, logic means power cord as well.

I'm not thumb sucking my advice either.
I've successfully completed this process on many laptops & netbooks with results that show the difference straight away.

Yes, there are other software and hardware issues, but you have to start somewhere.
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Thanks for taking the time to reply. I did report my findings. Nothing changed. What is the pressing of the power button when there is no power supposed to do? Should it work like a reset or something or why did you recommend it be done?
 
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Johnatan56 said:
A quick spike is normal, what you should be worried about is a constant high load. Good luck then, most likely they will ask to reinstall windows for you.
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They said that the fan was clogged with dust and dirt and would let no air through. Apparently my anti virus (I can't recall which one it was) is causing my CPU to run very high for longer periods. They are running some more tests tonight and I can probably get it back tomorrow morning.
 
CriticalConsumer said:
Firstly, I don't think that opening up the laptop and replacing the thermal paste is going to speed up your PC.

They are going to install Anti-virus software to check for viruses...if you didn't have anti-virus software in the first place then this is a good step. Personally I use Norton 360 as its a less resource intensive application and has the capability to keep your notebook in tip top shape due to the Tune up / Optimise function built in - apart from the Anti-virus / Anti-malware etc.

How often do you defrag your hard drive?
How often do you test the Hard drive health?
How often do you optimise your PC? This would entail cleaning up the registry, removing old temporary files, cleaning up your browser cache etc.
When last did you do a full scan of your PC health?
Do you use Windows Task Manager--->Applications & Processes Tab to view which applications are using the most memory although they are not needed?

You could save money by checking these basics first.
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They aren't charging me an arm and a leg (only R150) and I wouldn't know how to change the paste in any case. The paste and cleaning out wasn't to speed it up, but to resolve the heating issue which I mentioned. I also mentioned that it was not fragmented (it automatically defrags once a week). I have checked everything I possibly could, like task manager, event log, CPU usage, memory usage, cleaned out registry, uninstalled unwanted programs, cleaned up hard disk space, deleted temp files, etc.

Thanks for the replies everyone. I will let you know if the speed and heating issues are resolved when I get it back tomorrow.
 
McCoy said:
They said that the fan was clogged with dust and dirt and would let no air through. Apparently my anti virus (I can't recall which one it was) is causing my CPU to run very high for longer periods. They are running some more tests tonight and I can probably get it back tomorrow morning.
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Oh, thought you would have opened it first thing to check for dust, my bad. It still doesn't explain why turning on wifi slows the system though.
 
You probably have some app/s that are trying to connect when it sees a network connection - have you tried to see if it happens when you plug in a an Ethernet cable?
Make sure you uninstall all peer to peer sharing software. Also download and run AdwCleaner, ccleaner and Malwarebytes anti-malware - they are free programs that clean up your computer. The built in Microsoft defragment is not great either, try Defraggler (free).
 
|tera| said:
Same question was posed here:
http://www.sevenforums.com/hardware...all-power-sources-hold-down-power-button.html
Link to HP's site is provided in a post there as well, but the comments in that link is worth the read as well.
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It is called reseting pre-boot credentials. BIOS is using this information to speed up initialising internal components instead of gathering it from slow internal serial bus on every boot. BIOS is also constantly updating this information with its own meassurements and statistics (storing its own settings to improve stability).
This information can be corrupted or obsolete. By example when CPU is overheating (due to thermal paste deterioration), such statistic help to set power management parameters. System becomes less responsive, but continue to boot. It is why it is important to reset learned credentials after refreshing thermal paste and cleaning air ducts, upgrading CPU, internal LCD display, etc...

Reseting CMOS defaults in setup program do not clear pre-boot credentials. Removing CMOS battery does. Holding power button helps to drain power from internal capacitors in 5 seconds instead of hours.

Question is why reseting pre-boot credentials happens without removing CMOS battery? I don't agree with the theory of oveloading CMOS battery, so voltage drops below limit. You can meassure it easily using multimeter - it doesn't happen...
There are CMOS latches controling ACPI power state in the startup circuit powered by CMOS battery. Hardware shutdown (by holding power button for 5 second) is controlled by the same latches. So my educated quess is that when you perform hardware reset with no power applied it is latched and on next power-on BIOS will detect such condition and ignore pre-boot credentials (at least on some systems).
 
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Why is everyone assuming it's software related?

Some hardware issues manifest themselves in slow response times in your operating system. The fact that you wait 25min sometimes for you OS to load sounds eerily familiar. Test your hardrive for fault, start with a check disk if you haven't already as that was the case with my pc. RAM issues causes BSOD's most of the time and not slow speeds.
 
sajunky said:
It is called reseting pre-boot credentials. BIOS is using this information to speed up initialising internal components instead of gathering it from slow internal serial bus on every boot. BIOS is also constantly updating this information with its own meassurements and statistics (storing its own settings to improve stability).
This information can be corrupted or obsolete. By example when CPU is overheating (due to thermal paste deterioration), such statistic help to set power management parameters. System becomes less responsive, but continue to boot. It is why it is important to reset learned credentials after refreshing thermal paste and cleaning air ducts, upgrading CPU, internal LCD display, etc...

Reseting CMOS defaults in setup prograsm do not clear pre-boot credentials. Removing CMOS battery does. Holding power button helps to drain power from internal capacitors in 5 seconds instead of hours.

Question is why reseting pre-boot credentials happens without removing CMOS battery? I don't agree with the argument of oveloading CMOS battery, so voltage drops below limit. You can meassure it easily using multimeter - it doesn't happen...
There are CMOS latches controling ACPI power state in the startup circuit powered by CMOS battery. Hardware shutdown (by holding power button for 5 second) is controlled by the same latches. So my educated quess is that when you perform hardware reset with no power applied it is latched and on next power-on BIOS will detect such condition and ignore pre-boot credentials (at least on some systems).
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I understand your theory, but you also can't take into account that every BIOS out there simply has the feature to "ignore" the pre-boot configuration/credentials and just continue with the boot sequence. As you said, it's a guess.

The fact remains, this process works and I've even done this on Desktops as well. There could be multiple reasons that clearing power from a system that has been shutdown and unplugged is beneficial. Maybe because the RAM gets cleared completely? The static on the components are discharged? The rest of the components are discharged etc?

I'm not an electrical engineer, so I would not know for a fact. The main thing is I have provided the resources above to read and anyone can go through it should they want to.
This procedure can also be attempted safely, as there is no negative reason not to do it. So nobody has anything to lose.
 
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|tera| said:
I understand your theory, but you also can't take into account that every BIOS out there simply has the feature to "ignore" the pre-boot configuration/credentials and just continue with the boot sequence. As you said, it's a guess.
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What you think I am talking about is called "boot credentials". "Pre-boot credentials" are used before BIOS can even enter setup program, so is not the same.
I don't deny facts you provided, it is not questioned. It works in most cases.
I tried to explain mechanism and clear some theories in the links you provided.
 
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sajunky said:
What you think I am talking about is called "boot credentials". "Pre-boot credentials" are used before BIOS can even enter setup program, so is not the same.
I don't deny facts you provided, it is not questioned. It works in most cases.
I tried to explain mechanism and clear some theories in the links you provided.
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I misunderstood. Thanks for giving more clarity with your posts. I did learn from it. Thanks.
 
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