November: Local no longer capped?

By now, anyone who has been on this site for more than a month and still thinks things are going to change anytime soon in this country must be delusional.
 
Conspirator said:
Kasyx: Please tell us where you heard those rumours.

Does the local infrastructure even have the capacity to handle a few thousand Saffers suddenly P2P'ing like crazy? Or are the going to shape local to death too?

Either way even a rumour is good news at this stage.
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General mumblings on the myADSL forums, really. Nothing official, I just figured I'd make a post about it in case anyone had any official information.

What I find rather interesting, however, is in Telkom's response to ICASA about the consumer complaint, they state that they do not have the technology to allow for uncapped local which doesn't count towards the cap. You know, the same system we ACTUALLY HAD THREE YEARS AGO.

What happened to the technology they were using then? Did someone misplace it? Leave it at the bus stop, drop it into the couch?

I am mainly just curious to know what will happen come November, and whether it will be worthwhile me buying a local-only account or not.
 
Well they did try to scrap the 24h resets recently (I think), so it could be possible that Telkom is actually attempting to follow ICASA regulations.

Would be cool, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
Why would anyone want to encourage Telkom to give away local bandwidth for free? That's just asking for problems down the line, because bandwidth simply ISN'T FREE. In fact we've been there done that. It's not a workable economic model. It necessitates cross-selling, deceptive tricks, and restrictions.

Of course bundling local and international traffic together and asking one ridiculous price per GB is bad; but it's no better to charge for one and give the other away for free.

Billing the two separately is probably the best solution at present.

R5/GB local, R50/GB international, for example.

The long-term solution is to bring in more international connectivity, which will lower the cost differential between the two types of traffic. This is the ONLY real solution. And there is only any incentive to do it when there is competition.

Anyone with a boat and a spool of fibre optic cable? Go do something useful and cross the Atlantic with it. I'd pay.

If Neotel knows what they are doing then they will be signing up cable-laying ships like crazy.
 
nobody expects local to be 'free'. just uncapped.
R100 for uncapped local (512kb line) R300 (4Mb line) and then pay for extra international i think is fair.
 
kevinswan007 said:
nobody expects local to be 'free'. just uncapped.
R100 for uncapped local (512kb line) R300 (4Mb line) and then pay for extra international i think is fair.
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i.e. Put some value to our line rental.

Local used to be uncapped and free btw. Only after cap though.
 
Ekhaatvensters said:
Local used to be uncapped and free btw. Only after cap though.
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Exactly,and that's what "not subjected to cap" means for those who doesn't understand.They need to do something "for their answer for neotel's launch".Telkom is greedy but not stupid.They used to do it,so they were just playing for time to launch it with neotel's coming.For iptv local bandwidth needs to be uncapped anyway...so yes its coming

You buy 1 account,and that account will have an international cap not a local one...so UNCAPPED,NOT FREE,as my prev post says,sorry.

"Not subjected to the cap" means local have no cap,otherwise if telkom's gonna charge for it,like many here is afraid for in their analisist,that means my WA R199 account will have no local access...cuz it is not subjected to it...doesn't make sense,is it?

My guess anyway is it will have an unofficial softcap like overseas.
 
JustAsk said:
Exactly,and that's what "not subjected to cap" means for those who doesn't understand.They need to do something "for their answer for neotel's launch".Telkom is greedy but not stupid.They used to do it,so they were just playing for time to launch it with neotel's coming.For iptv local bandwidth needs to be uncapped anyway...so yes its coming

You buy 1 account,and that account will have an international cap not a local one...so UNCAPPED,NOT FREE,as my prev post says,sorry.

"Not subjected to the cap" means local have no cap,otherwise if telkom's gonna charge for it,like many here is afraid for in their analisist,that means my WA R199 account will have no local access...cuz it is not subjected to it...doesn't make sense,is it?

My guess anyway is it will have an unofficial softcap like overseas.
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iptv will probably work on a different PVC so in other words you will make a second PPPoE connection which only connects to the iptv server. Then you will have your normal PPPoE connection which gives you internet.

So the iptv will not count toward your normal cap but it also means they don't have to give you free local.
 
Two questions -

Can anyone give a definitive definition of 'local '

and

does anyone know the percentage of .co.za sites hosted outside of 'local'
 
Amida said:
iptv will probably work on a different PVC so in other words you will make a second PPPoE connection which only connects to the iptv server. Then you will have your normal PPPoE connection which gives you internet.

So the iptv will not count toward your normal cap but it also means they don't have to give you free local.
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Yes iptv will not count towards your normal cap but it'll needs local bandwidth,and lots of it.Way more than what the average "abusive" 4mb user can pull on a good month.IPTV will runs on adsl2 but we're not talking about on what platform your local bandwidth will get to you but if it'll be free/uncapped or not.
 
daveza said:
Two questions -

Can anyone give a definitive definition of 'local '
Any website (server/pc/device) that finds itself hosted/located on the SA IP network. 99.99% Of the time this is anything located within the SA border.

and

does anyone know the percentage of .co.za sites hosted outside of 'local'
Why would you want to know that? Then you would have to ask the same for .com domains etc etc. My guess it's a rather high %.
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does anyone know the percentage of .co.za sites hosted outside of 'local'
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That could be a difficult one to answer. Best thing would be to take a hundred or so .co.za sites and check if they are hosted locally or not and draw your conclusion from the figures.

Because of the crazy hosting fees here I suspect most sites are hosted overseas....well all of mine are anyway :) Local is nie lekker!
 
If you look back at when ADSL was first supplied by Telkom, the cap only applied to non-local usage. When one was capped, one had a throttled non-local connection which sometimes even worked and unlimited local connectivity.

My take on ICASA is that this is what they were alluding to, but didn't word it very well.
 
Well if local does stop counting towards the cap and someone mainly used local, they could get a 1GB prepaid international from WA or Axxess (Engen on online), WA never expires I think, and then use all the local you like while using the odd bit of international when the need arises. Perfect for people who only game/DC++/etc locally :)
 
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