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The National Security Agency has secretly broken into the main communications links that connect Yahoo and Google data centers around the world, the Washington Post reported Wednesday, citing documents obtained from former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.

A secret accounting dated Jan. 9, 2013, indicates that NSA sends millions of records every day from Yahoo and Google internal networks to data warehouses at the agency's Fort Meade, Maryland, headquarters. In the last 30 days, field collectors had processed and sent back more than 180 million new records - ranging from "metadata," which would indicate who sent or received emails and when, to content such as text, audio and video, the Post reported Wednesday on its website.

The new details about the NSA's access to Yahoo and Google data centers around the world come at a time when Congress is reconsidering the government's collection practices and authority, and as European governments are responding angrily to revelations that the NSA collected data on millions of communications in their countries. Details about the government's programs have been trickling out since Snowden shared documents with the Post and Guardian newspaper in June.

The NSA's principal tool to exploit the Google and Yahoo data links is a project called MUSCULAR, operated jointly with the agency's British counterpart, GCHQ. The Post said NSA and GCHQ are copying entire data flows across fiber-optic cables that carry information between the data centers of the Silicon Valley giants.

The NSA has a separate data-gathering program, called PRISM, which uses a court order to compel Yahoo, Google and other Internet companies to provide certain data. It allows the NSA to reach into the companies' data streams and grab emails, video chats, pictures and more. U.S. officials have said the program is narrowly focused on foreign targets, and technology companies say they turn over information only if required by court order.

In an interview with Bloomberg News Wednesday, NSA Director Gen. Keith Alexander was asked if the NSA has infiltrated Yahoo and Google databases, as detailed in the Post story.

"Not to my knowledge," said Alexander. "We are not authorized to go into a U.S. company's servers and take data. We'd have to go through a court process for doing that."

It was not clear, however, whether Alexander had any immediate knowledge of the latest disclosure in the Post report. Instead, he appeared to speak more about the PRISM program and its legal parameters.

In a separate statement, NSA spokeswoman Vanee Vines said NSA has "multiple authorities" to accomplish its mission, and she said "the assertion that we collect vast quantities of U.S. persons' data from this type of collection is also not true."

The GCHQ had no comment on the matter.

The Post said the NSA was breaking into data centers worldwide. The NSA has far looser restrictions on what it can collect outside the United States on foreigners.

But Google said the company has "long been concerned about the possibility of this kind of snooping." The statement said Google is "troubled by allegations of the government intercepting traffic between our data centers, and we are not aware of this activity."

Google, which is known for its data security, noted that it has been trying to extend encryption across more and more Google services and links.

Yahoo spokeswoman Sarah Meron said there are strict controls in place to protect the security of the company's data centers. "We have not given access to our data centers to the NSA or to any other government agency," she said, adding that it is too early to speculate on whether legal action would be taken.

The MUSCULAR project documents state that this collection from Yahoo and Google has led to key intelligence leads, the Post said.

Congress members and international leaders have become increasingly angry about the NSA's data collection, as more information about the programs leak out.

Alexander told lawmakers that the U.S. did not collect European records, and instead the U.S. was given data by NATO partners as part of a program to protect military interests.

More broadly, Alexander on Wednesday defended the overall NSA effort to monitor communications. And he said that as Congress considers proposals to scale back the data collection or provide more transparency to some of the programs, it's his job to lay out the resulting terrorism risks.

"I'm concerned that we give information out that impacts our ability to stop terrorist attacks. That's what most of these programs are aimed to do," Alexander said. "I believe if you look at this and you go back through everything, none of this shows that NSA is doing something illegal or that it's not been asked to do."

Pointing to thousands of terror attacks around the world, he said the U.S. has been spared much of that violence because of such programs.

"It's because you have great people in the military and the intelligence community doing everything they can with law enforcement to protect this country," he said. "But they need tools to do it. If we take away the tools, we increase the risk."


Source : Sapa-AP /cls
Date : 30 Oct 2013 22:51
 
This "information gathering for security purposes" is just BS. Do they honestly think terrorists are going to use Gmail and Yahoo to send emails, plotting their terrorist acts? :erm: Or are they going to check what people are searching for and arrest them? It's happened before. Utter BS.
 
Time to start our own cloud services up?

No. Time to learn to keep computing local.

If your task doesn't need a network to be achieved, don't use one.

Why, at a time when we have ludicrously powerful computers, with ridiculously massive storage, monstrously capable GPUs and all sorts of highly-evolved free and open operating systems to choose from, would we want to hand over all our compute and data requirements to dodgy third-parties, who are only there to eventually get bought out by Google, Facebook or MS or the NSA, and be subsumed into the lens of the Great Eye?

It's almost like the powers-that-be realized they gave the people too much technology, so now it's all being either taken away or crippled...
 
Arstechnica comments on the latest documents:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...ps-google-yahoo-data-center-links/?comments=1

Slashdot comments on the same:
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/1...e-into-links-between-google-yahoo-datacenters

In the meanwhile, Facebook is to start tracking your mouse-cursor movements - I wonder what "big-data" analytics can work out about you with this kind of data? Left-or-right-handed? Nervous twitches when your eyes passed over certain images or words? Trembling due to a medical condition? reading speed? Some JS-based website analytics services already offer this in places:
http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/10/facebook-may-start-logging-your-cursor-movements/
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/10/30/176206/facebook-testing-screen-tracking-software-for-users

Is it a rock?
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/10/spy-rocks/

Australia a 'listening post' for the US?
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/10...a-operating-as-listening-post-for-us-agencies
 
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This "information gathering for security purposes" is just BS. Do they honestly think terrorists are going to use Gmail and Yahoo to send emails, plotting their terrorist acts? :erm: Or are they going to check what people are searching for and arrest them? It's happened before. Utter BS.

Actually yeah if I want to communicate with a fellow terrorist I'd use a gmail or yahoo account. One that we both have the password for, and just write messages and stash them in drafts instead of sending them...
 
Actually yeah if I want to communicate with a fellow terrorist I'd use a gmail or yahoo account. One that we both have the password for, and just write messages and stash them in drafts instead of sending them...

Or use steganography and use "innocent" pictures like families having fun, daily life etc...
 
"The National Security Agency has secretly broken into the main communications links that connect Yahoo and Google data centers around the world..."

Not anymore I'd wager.
 
In an interview with Bloomberg News Wednesday, NSA Director Gen. Keith Alexander was asked if the NSA has infiltrated Yahoo and Google databases, as detailed in the Post story.

"Not to my knowledge," said Alexander. "We are not authorized to go into a U.S. company's servers and take data. We'd have to go through a court process for doing that."

Meaning yes I think we are doing so but nobody has told me as I need to have plausible deniability so my answer then is, No we do not do this.
 
"The National Security Agency has secretly broken into the main communications links that connect Yahoo and Google data centers around the world..."

Not anymore I'd wager.

Piggyback slurp detected!
 
Actually yeah if I want to communicate with a fellow terrorist I'd use a gmail or yahoo account. One that we both have the password for, and just write messages and stash them in drafts instead of sending them...

:erm: You'd make a terrible terrorist :p
 
:erm: You'd make a terrible terrorist :p

A terrrifying terrorist!
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