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SykomantiS

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So, I have another [stupid] question for you guys.

Is the Transfer Duty amount required to be paid before the bank releases the loan funds?
 

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So, I have another [stupid] question for you guys.

Is the Transfer Duty amount required to be paid before the bank releases the loan funds?
Yes. The bank releases the funds as basically the final step. Before that they issue guarantee confirming to the lawyers that they will make payment
 

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Yes. The bank releases the funds as basically the final step. Before that they issue guarantee confirming to the lawyers that they will make payment
Thanks.

But the guarantee is not enough, we have to pay the Transfer Duty before any of that?
 

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JHB deeds was closed yesterday for sanitization. And one day last week as well. Matter is on prep, hoping I have a new place by the weekend.
 

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Ah ok if you put it like that then yes, part of the 5% will be paid over for that iirc.
Yes, but you have to front the cash (or at least part thereof - the transfer duty), before the loan gets released.
So, a person needs a 105% loan, the 5% being used to cover, amongst other things, that transfer duty, but you cannot get those funds, without paying the transfer duty first.
 

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Yes, but you have to front the cash (or at least part thereof - the transfer duty), before the loan gets released.
So, a person needs a 105% loan, the 5% being used to cover, amongst other things, that transfer duty, but you cannot get those funds, without paying the transfer duty first.
I'm sure your transfer attorney should be able to provide clarity on this.
 

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Thanks.

But the guarantee is not enough, we have to pay the Transfer Duty before any of that?

The transfer duty is collected on SARS's behalf by the conveyancing attorneys. Shortly after signing the OTP, the conveyancing attorneys will send a pro forma statement of account to the buyer which will include the transfer duty and various fees and disbursements for rates clearance certificate processing, deeds office searches, etc. Until you pay this the transfer of the property won't progress any further.
 

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I don't think has that big of an impact on your credit rating. Unless it is different types of credit. (cc, home, vehicle, loan).

But I agree the credit system, is quite stupid. Especially since the credit score is basically you need debt to get more debt
If one were to take out a number of different debts, and pay them all up diligently, presumably that gets one a better rating. Even if one has no need of any credit, in the first place, and could afford to just pay cash and in full, going into temporary debt, and then getting out of it, seems to be the only way to build up the rating. Get an Edgars account, get two or three other accounts, run up some debt on those, and pay off everything faster than required (so as to incur as little interest as possible). The interest becomes, then, an annoying cost of having to buildiup the credit record, that's all.

Take out some subscriptions to something which accepts customers only with a certain credit rating.

Once one has enough of a credit rating, get a credit card, use it frequently, and pay it all up on the day before the interest would start ticking.

Accumulate assets, some of which liquid.

Good. For someone who has done all of the above, thereby having achieved a high credit rating, would enquiring at several banks for a better or best mortgage deal still negatively impact the credit rating? Or is it only the people who haven't built up a good credit rating, who are punished for trying to make the best financial decision?
 

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This post refers to my above post; I just didn't quote it right, there.
The credit rating system has a lot of holes, its not there to protect the the individuals but rather credit providers. For instance if I am making a home loan application why can I not apply to multiple institutions to get the best quote? It goes to penalize you when you look for competitive quotes for insuring the same property both from a building and life cover perspective. Instead of rewarding you for good financial risk behavior your profile is flagged as risky, crazy right.
 

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Some nice info (or rather not). Purchase price costs are sky rocketing.

Example: Price... R540k, with bond!

The total fees are R40000! Ouch
 

Erohann

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Somewhere I missed something? @Gozado

You have a credit score

Go to one bond originator, have them do their thing (a single application per institution) and get them to pit the banks against each other to get the best deal, as you wanted.

Accept that these applications could knock your credit score down a bit the next month, but you'll have your loan offer by then and hopefully accepted it.

I'm not sure why one would use multiple originators and apply by yourself as well? Please excuse the poor analogy but it's like you go to the shop, but you also sent your partner and you also sent your friend, to go buy a loaf of bread, but you know there is only one loaf on the shelves from the start....?

You either trust the bond originator to do their job, or you don't, so don't bother with them.

Just my 2c
 

Corelli

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Some nice info (or rather not). Purchase price costs are sky rocketing.

Example: Price... R540k, with bond!

The total fees are R40000! Ouch
Wait till you buy a 4 million house one day, and your fees are R440k Yip its almost as much as this bond. I bought my house 700k sold for 2.3 million, slapped another investment of 1 million in, and bought a 4 million house with a new bond of 700k and then another 440k for fees.

Urgh
 

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Wait till you buy a 4 million house one day, and your fees are R440k Yip its almost as much as this bond. I bought my house 700k sold for 2.3 million, slapped another investment of 1 million in, and bought a 4 million house with a new bond of 700k and then another 440k for fees.

Urgh

#entitledbrag
 

bokka1

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Wait till you buy a 4 million house one day, and your fees are R440k Yip its almost as much as this bond. I bought my house 700k sold for 2.3 million, slapped another investment of 1 million in, and bought a 4 million house with a new bond of 700k and then another 440k for fees.

Urgh

How much of that was SARS? R256 000.00?

A R4 million house and R700 000 bond should be R313 000 in costs of which R256 000 goes to SARS for transfer duty. (They get more as they also get VAT on all the fees.)
 

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Wait till you buy a 4 million house one day, and your fees are R440k Yip its almost as much as this bond. I bought my house 700k sold for 2.3 million, slapped another investment of 1 million in, and bought a 4 million house with a new bond of 700k and then another 440k for fees.

Urgh
Post the attorney invoice or it didn't happen. :sneaky:
 

Jehosefat

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A R4 million house and R700 000 bond should be R313 000 in costs of which R256 000 goes to SARS for transfer duty. (They get more as they also get VAT on all the fees.)
Depends on all the fees that you count. If you add estate agent fees for the sale of his previous property (call it 5% of R2.3m = R115k) you end up pretty close to the R440k he quoted.
 
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