Oil falls despite production cuts

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7687944.stm

World oil prices have fallen further, undermining oil cartel Opec's efforts to steady prices by cutting output by 1.5 million barrels a day.

The decision to cut about 5% of the cartel's total daily output came after an emergency Opec meeting in Vienna.

But the move did not halt the sliding oil price, with US sweet light crude dropping more than $3 to $64.75. London Brent fell a similar amount.

Recession fears have pulled oil down from a high of $147 a barrel in July.

OPEC twits, they are just contributing to things. The price is likely to have dropped because they cut production and it is seen as another contributing factor to a global recession.
 
But when the world eventually comes right, there will be some reason or other for them not upping production again and therefore the price will sky rocket
 
The change would only be in affect 1st November.

I'm glad the UK said it would be "scandalous" to drop the production rate to ensure profit at the world’s economic expense. Wonder why the US is so quiet, they surely benefitting a lot with low oil prices.

If that price goes up a lot, our country would be a dried up elephant turd.
 
When are we going to get petrol cuts? The consumers and small business need this to survive.
 
Well with the Rand/Dollar falling continuously I doubt we'll see any benefit from the drop in oil.
 
Well with the Rand/Dollar falling continuously I doubt we'll see any benefit from the drop in oil.

Jip, as long as it stays like that, if oil goes up we don't even have gold to compensate for the lack of investment potential.
 
Dollar falls when oil is not bought with the... dollar. So the demand for the dollar falls.
 
Give me a Joule please so that I don't have to depend on a filthy rich Arab fobbing off Oil at ridiculous prices.

You never heard a peep out of the Oil Sheiks when Oil was $147 a barrel - well I think one Saudi chap made a few noises, but the point is that when Oil was over a $100 every Business around the world was struggling with Operating Costs and still are.
Sorry, but I do not feel sorry for any Oil Merchant and the day we can ride around town without the smell and noise of Internal Combustion Engines we will all be a lot better off in the way of noise and pollution levels.

Just imagine now if GM had kept their Electric Car. It could have meant the difference between the Company which is now running at a huge loss and perhaps huge profits. YouTube Video - Who killed the Electric Car.

Check this video of a guy doing a drag race with an Electric Car.
 
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Give me a Joule please so that I don't have to depend on a filthy rich Arab fobbing off Oil at ridiculous prices.

You never heard a peep out of the Oil Sheiks when Oil was $147 a barrel - well I think one Saudi chap made a few noises, but the point is that when Oil was over a $100 every Business around the world was struggling with Operating Costs and still are.
Sorry, but I do not feel sorry for any Oil Merchant and the day we can ride around town without the smell and noise of Internal Combustion Engines we will all be a lot better off in the way of noise and pollution levels.

Just imagine now if GM had kept their Electric Car. It could have meant the difference between the Company which is now running at a huge loss and perhaps huge profits. YouTube Video - Who killed the Electric Car.

Check this video of a guy doing a drag race with an Electric Car.

+13216546.

Good movie that.
 
You never heard a peep out of the Oil Sheiks when Oil was $147 a barrel - well I think one Saudi chap made a few noises, but the point is that when Oil was over a $100 every Business around the world was struggling with Operating Costs and still are.

I still think it was the oil price that triggered this slide.
 
you've not heard of subprime?

But the high oil price is what triggered it. Costs started going up in the US and people started to battle to pay their bills. People just didn't suddenly stop being able to pay their bonds. The cost of living went up which triggered the slide and that was in a large part because of the high oil price. Obviously the US banks were arseholes and the who subprime fiasco was an accident waiting to happen but oil, IMO, flicked the switch.
 
you clearly have no idea of how subprime worked. it involves an interest rate reset at a much higher rate than the initial rate. which is meant to be covered by the house price being higher. of course the fact that US house prices have fallen since subprime debt was issued was the catalyst. read up on what has caused the problems. it's well documented.
 
Allright EU, show your balls and fine OPEC the way you fined SASOL :mad:
 
Ok this is quite interesting. Despite the announcement and from the Saudi Arabian oil minister, it should be noted that normally during these cuts it is Saudi Arabia which bears the brunt of Most of the cuts and looses the most money. The non-Arab OPEC states usually cut the least - if they cut at all - Saudi Arabia is to do 33% of the total cut. Also just because they announce cuts it does it mean they will materialise, back in
December 2006, a cut of 1.2 billion barrels never occurred. Will Saudi Arabia sacrifice its own earnings this time around? So watch this space....

You know, Chavez from Venezuela really needs his petrodollars, he's been squandering cash to build his anti-US alliance, so I doubt he'll
wanna cut either.
 
Perfect Storm

A number of Economists and the like were talking about a "Perfect Storm" in regards to the Global Financial Rout.
There was a combination of things that started the sell off in world markets, but the one factor that stood out was the Sub Prime Fiasco. Oil just contributed to the pain, but I believe the price of oil was manipulated by speculators.
The Sub Prime crisis can be also be blamed on a number of things, the first of which was an Act called the Community Reinvestment Act dating back to Jimmy Carter's days in office where Financial Institutions were legally obligated to lend money for housing to higher risk clients. The downfall or set-up started back in 2002/3 when Greenspan and Co (FOMC) had set the Federal Funds Rate to a low of 1%. This cheap money and the view that the prices of houses would just keep going up ad infinitum and if you bought a house you need not worry as you could sell it to the next Schmuck at a profit at a later date was quickly thrown out of the window when the Federal Reserve Bank steadily increased the Federal Funds Rate over the next 3 years to over 5%.
So it does not take a genius to put two and two together that these Mortgage Lenders who acquired cheap money were now in trouble as the new rate was not affordable, in actual fact 500% more than when they first lent the money. So people were defaulting left right and centre and due to foreclosures too many houses were put on the market which saw a reversal of the upward trend in house prices so much so that virtually nobody could sell their houses.
But during all of this, Financial Institutions who lent the money in the first place had through some imaginative way repackaged these mortgages into new paper and resold it all over the world with AAA ratings.
The first sign of the Sub Prime Chaos started when Freddie Mae and Freddie Mac suddenly declared Bankruptcy in June of 2007. The rest is now history as many other Financial Institutions followed like Lehman Brothers etc.

The Mortgages in the US are different to ours as here Banks watch their "investments". The US just repackaged the loans and people who sold these Mortgages grew fat from all the commissions and likely were incensed to sell as many Mortgages as possible to whoever just to make these commissions.

And here we are back where we started. The Federal Funds Rate is now back down to almost where it started at 1.5%, so who knows where we will be in a few years time again when the suckers that loan at these levels cannot afford to pay it back when it is over 5% again.

One can attribute these swings to Business Cycles, but I say the root cause of all the problems is the Federal Reserve Bank who create these interest rate traps that plays out the "Financial Musical Chairs" where someone has no place to sit and has to declare Bankruptcy. This is the world we live in at this moment.
I don't suspect this picture to change too soon as the mechanics of money creation is flawed and no matter how hard we work or pretend that things will get better we will continue to play Financial Musical Chairs and someone will get hurt along the way, it is just a matter of time.
 
The CRA is merely a convenient scapegoat, so people can blame the government for what was nothing other than their own greed. These lenders thought they'd be able to milk higher risk borrowers and it came back to bite them.
 
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