Opinions on usage based throttling

ScrnScrm

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The reason being thrown about for the revision of the cap implementation on the SAIX ADSL accounts is because some users are pulling the ring out of it, so to speak. Apparently, over 50% of the bandwidth is consumed by less than 10% of the user base - so things are obviously out of proportion. Now, I dont want to enter a debate as to whether Telkom should be telling you what you can do with your bandwidth, or how much bandwidth you should actually have. I think we need to come up with a solution for them as to how to address this. So I have been thinking about this : How about being throttled down as you use more and more bandwidth? For example - your First 3GB (or whatever) is at full speed. Bandwidth used between 3 and 10GB is throttled down to 256Kbps. Between 10GB and 20GB is throttled down to 128Kbps. 20Gb and over 64kbps. (Or any permeatation of this combo that would work for the average user).

An alternative could also be to only allow a fixed amount of p2p type traffic a month i.e. say 1 or 2GB for p2p then you get throttled to, say 8Kbps for the rest of the month.

So lets hear your opions, and ya can all tell me where the failure in my logic is :D (bearing in mind that we need to be realistic!!!! We are not going to get cheap uncapped ADSL anytime soon).

We need to have some alternatives that we can throw in their face everytime we hear the "users pulling the ring out of it" story :D If we can provide feasible alternatives, it will make it a lot harder for them to implement such stupid things as hard capping!

Cheers ~
ScrnScrm
 
Dude you have some good ideas, but my opinion is, Telkom are shocking us with these prices, then when they revert to the old system we will be happy and thankful to have local uncapped. When what we should have is just completely uncapped (or like 500GB cap) like countries elsewhere.

I'll never be happy until bandwidth isn't an issue anymore.
 
Ok, I'm not shure if I should believe donaldza with the whole ultra high/uncapped thing, Telkom say that there isnt enough bandwidth and were making their service worse by using high amounts of bandwidth. Well the thing is i'm shure ADSL speeds would drop to nothing if everyone was uncapped and unsahped and just downloading full speed, people already experience speed slowdowns on ADSL at the end of the month when people burn their remaining cap right?
Well maby I'm wrong and Telkom really is the devil incarnated in a telecommunications company... good ideas though ScrnScrm. I think the template you gave would be thrown out at the moment but with lower numbers it could work and would provide a much better service for most people but SAIX would still have the problem of some people "abusing" that system, and always using their full 20gb and then a few more.
 
Look, the answer is simple. Telkrap must commit to upgrading the infrastructure, which they can easily finance themselves out of the exorbitant profits and huge reserves they've generated through monopolistic practices. This will obviate the artificial 'need' for having to 'manage' bandwidth provision.

There is absolutely no justifiable reason for the consumer to make any sort of compromise for the sake of equitable services to all - speaking plainly, our current situation is due to blatant mismanagement in the interests of corporate greed and profit. That's the reality which must be addressed.
 
Use the full potential of Sat3 (cos im sure they're no where near it) and when thats done lay some more fibre, lots of it. In fact start laying fibre now, and maybe get us close to at least half of what the rest of the world has. We should not be capped (30Gb will do if it has to but no less), we should not be shaped, and we should not be exploited.

ScrnScrm, your idea is a good one, if not in fact the best one ive heard yet but it is still going in the wrong direction. If Telkom were struggling to turn a profit then their approach of making the best of what they have would be acceptable but there is no excuse for constantly degrading the service we receive while trying to charge us more while their profts grow exponentially.
 
@mbs and superantmd : I wholeheartedly agree with you. However, I think we need to try find a middle ground here. When they throw these solutions at us, we need to be able to counter with viable alternatives. When they say "we have investigated all the options", we need to be able to say "well how about this? have you tried that?". The best method of negotiation is being armed with info from both sides of the argument... Whilst it is not first prize, the old adage of "how you eat an elephant" still holds true - "mouthful by mouthful". We need to get to our utopia by the small wins as well as the big ones.
Keep those opinions coming forumites :D
 
ScrnScrm said:
Hello Forumites
How about being throttled down as you use more and more bandwidth? For example - your First 3GB (or whatever) is at full speed. Bandwidth used between 3 and 10GB is throttled down to 256Kbps. Between 10GB and 20GB is throttled down to 128Kbps. 20Gb and over 64kbps. (Or any permeatation of this combo that would work for the average user).
Cheers ~
ScrnScrm

no! no! no!
 
Your ideas are perfectly feasable ScrnScrm, however, the "ring pulling" excuse is just the marketing department's BS. The real reason for Black November is that Telkom just want to squeeze us for more money. "Abusers" are currently an undertapped revenue stream for Telkom, come November that will change and those that just have to WOW or Torrent etc will pony up after being capped. I wonder what Telkom's after tax profit will look like this time next year.
 
I don't think anything can be contemplated without facts. Telkom have bandied various fud statements about, but do not disclose auditable facts.

Telkom needs to provide factual details for their claims. Let's see the cost detais. Let's see the bandwidth details.

Until then I would have serious doubts as to voracity of their statements.
 
The market should be opened up for competition. Telkom cannot provide a proper ADSL service and manage it. Their greed and obvious incompetence have lead to the current broadband situation in South Africa. Real competition will sort it out.
 
Ekhaatvensters said:
Ok, I'm not shure if I should believe donaldza with the whole ultra high/uncapped thing, Telkom say that there isnt enough bandwidth and were making their service worse by using high amounts of bandwidth. Well the thing is i'm shure ADSL speeds would drop to nothing if everyone was uncapped and unsahped and just downloading full speed, people already experience speed slowdowns on ADSL at the end of the month when people burn their remaining cap right?
Well maby I'm wrong and Telkom really is the devil incarnated in a telecommunications company... good ideas though ScrnScrm. I think the template you gave would be thrown out at the moment but with lower numbers it could work and would provide a much better service for most people but SAIX would still have the problem of some people "abusing" that system, and always using their full 20gb and then a few more.

The main reason why so many people use their maximum amount atm is because the maximum amount is set; You'd find in a uncapped enviroment that only a small number of users will have high usage every month. The norm with broadband is that a person gets it his first month and downloads everything afterwards their usage normalizes, but because of the cap you feel that if you do not use the full amount you are wasting your cash.

You usualy find that in all internet services that the low usage users subsidise the high usage users and they balance out.
 
Vio said:
The main reason why so many people use their maximum amount atm is because the maximum amount is set; You'd find in a uncapped enviroment that only a small number of users will have high usage every month. The norm with broadband is that a person gets it his first month and downloads everything afterwards their usage normalizes, but because of the cap you feel that if you do not use the full amount you are wasting your cash.

You usualy find that in all internet services that the low usage users subsidise the high usage users and they balance out.

That is so true! When I had uncapped back in the uunet days, I hardly used even half my bandwidth!
 
Everyone knows that Telkoms "10% of users use 90% of bandwidth, so we must cap & shape" story is bull****. You think ISP's or Telecoms providers in other countries dont have this happening?? Of course they do! But for them, it aint a problem. Telkom can easily handle giving everyone unshaped 30gb accounts @ 1024K for the price of their 384 accounts. But why do it, when it means less profit? I bet, if you where a CEO at Telkom, you'd do the same. Its all about the money, nothing more, nothing less. Nothing personal, its just business.
 
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