Passengers for Dubai arrested with undeclared forex

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https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...itcases-stuffed-with-r67m-20180128?isapp=true

Johannesburg - Two people have been arrested after R6.7m of undeclared currency was seized in baggage checked-in for a flight from Johannesburg to Dubai, SARS said on Sunday.

"Customs Officials at OR Tambo International Airport intercepted two passengers travelling to Dubai as they were about to board their flight [on Thursday]," the SA Revenue Service's acting spokesperson Sicelo Mkosi said in a statement.

An inspection of their checked-in luggage found numerous brown envelopes stuffed with a total of US $568 480 in various denominations, placed in between clothing items.

The passengers were taken to the police station and a criminal case has been opened.

Mkosi said further details about the passengers could not be revealed at this stage, as the case was "very sensitive".

The interception was part of ongoing, "wider investigations" into a syndicate, he said.
 
The interception was part of ongoing, "wider investigations" into a syndicate, he said.
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oh so we're calling the state capture crew a syndicate now?

Everyone knows cash going to Dubai needs numba1's blessing
 
HavocXphere said:
oh so we're calling the state capture crew a syndicate now?

Everyone knows cash going to Dubai needs numba1's blessing
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It’s hardly state capture only.

A certain number of people are doing it.

There are most likely organized networks providing this service, like it used to be common between France and Switzerland/Israel or from Algeria to France, DRC to Dubai/SA.
 
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2 men caught with R6.4m in cash appear in court

Johannesburg – The two men who were caught with R6.4m of undeclared currency at OR Tambo International Airport made their first appearance at the Johannesburg Commercial Crimes Court on Monday.

The figure was initially reported to be R6.7m.

The two men, Fazial Hassan and Ilyns Muhammed, appeared briefly before Magistrate J van Vuuren on charges of failure to declare and currency smuggling.

Van Vuuren postponed the case to February 5 for further investigation. The two will also apply for bail on that day.

The two were nabbed when the cash was seized after they checked their baggage in for a flight from Johannesburg to Dubai.



News24 earlier reported that the South African Revenue Service, which was responsible for the bust, said that the men were intercepted as they were about to board the flight on Thursday.

Numerous brown envelopes stuffed with a total of $568 480 in various denominations were found among clothing items.

No family, friends present

Hawks spokesperson Brigadier Hangwani Mulaudzi earlier told News24 that the two were arrested with a female companion, however, only the two men appeared before Van Vuuren.

It's unclear whether the two men, who were escorted into the nearly empty court in ankle chains, are South African or not.

Both men had no family or friends present during court proceedings.

Muhammed was dressed in a navy hoodie and blue jeans while Hassan wore a blue and white shirt with black jeans.

Muhammed glanced towards the door on several occasions.

There was little interaction between the two men during court.

According to SARS, the case was "very sensitive" and the interception was part of ongoing, "wider investigations" into a syndicate.

News24
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/2-men-caught-with-r67m-in-cash-appear-in-court-20180129
 
So 300 000 went missing since yesterday.
 
A non-crime, in my view. People should be free to move whatever money they wish to wherever they wish, without having to notify the government or anyone else.

If the money is ill-gotten gains from another crime, then by all means prosecute them for that crime. But until there are good grounds for suspecting a crime, they should be free to proceed unhindered.
 
Arthur said:
A non-crime, in my view. People should be free to move whatever money they wish to wherever they wish, without having to notify the government or anyone else.

If the money is ill-gotten gains from another crime, then by all means prosecute them for that crime. But until there are good grounds for suspecting a crime, they should be free to proceed unhindered.
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That's kind of the point isn't it. If you let people cart large amounts of undeclared cash around you have no way of knowing if the money is proceeds of crime or not. You declare the cash to answer questions such as the source of that cash
 
R13... said:
That's kind of the point isn't it. If you let people cart large amounts of undeclared cash around you have no way of knowing if the money is proceeds of crime or not. You declare the cash to answer questions such as the source of that cash
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+1
 
R13... said:
That's kind of the point isn't it. If you let people cart large amounts of undeclared cash around you have no way of knowing if the money is proceeds of crime or not. You declare the cash to answer questions such as the source of that cash
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So your presumption is guilt. I have the exact opposite approach: innocent until proven guilty.

No-one should have to account to anyone else why they are carrying cash of whatever amount. Period.
 
I guess you believe that no-one should have to account to anyone else why they are carrying a TV and a back pack full of portable electronic devices in the suburbs at 3 a.m, either?
 
Arthur said:
So your presumption is guilt. I have the exact opposite approach: innocent until proven guilty.

No-one should have to account to anyone else why they are carrying cash of whatever amount. Period.
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So you stop security checks in airport and convict terrorists once they blew the plane?

The rule is innocent until proven guilty, and if you have 5000 rands, they don’t ask you where it comes from. But 6.7 millions is a bit unusual to carry in cash and suspect, don’t you think? What not make a safer and cheaper bank transfer is it’s legit money?
 
scudsucker said:
I guess you believe that no-one should have to account to anyone else why they are carrying a TV and a back pack full of portable electronic devices in the suburbs at 3 a.m, either?
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The man may just be making an earlier start to the electronics repair shop. His house was struck by lightning & he suspects the stuff fried.
 
Arthur said:
So your presumption is guilt. I have the exact opposite approach: innocent until proven guilty.

No-one should have to account to anyone else why they are carrying cash of whatever amount. Period.
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Except the law is pretty clear...

They are guilty, and were guilty the minute the cash was found.

Your opinion ultimately means nothing in this instance.
 
Arthur said:
So your presumption is guilt. I have the exact opposite approach: innocent until proven guilty.

No-one should have to account to anyone else why they are carrying cash of whatever amount. Period.
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Then declare it if you're innocent.

You're allowed to legally take a R1mil a year out the country. Anything more and you start having to pay tax, or penalties, whatever you want to call it.

Two unknown men carrying R6.7 million are as innocent as the earth is flat.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Except the law is pretty clear...

They are guilty, and were guilty the minute the cash was found.

Your opinion ultimately means nothing in this instance.
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I am not suggesting the law is not clear. I am saying expressly that the law is a bad and unjust law.

Many state have laws that are unjust. South Africa for years had laws criminalising the sale of soap after 6pm, for example, not to speak of hugely unjust laws like legally-entrenched racial discrimination. Despite being clear and unambiguous, those laws are unjust and immoral.
 
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