Pelosi's pulling a Chamberlain

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Well no surpises here then....Pratfall in Damascus

HOUSE SPEAKER Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) offered an excellent demonstration yesterday of why members of Congress should not attempt to supplant the secretary of state when traveling abroad.

So true :o

Ms. Pelosi announced that she had delivered a message from Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that "Israel was ready to engage in peace talks" with Syria. What's more, she added, Mr. Assad was ready to "resume the peace process" as well. Having announced this seeming diplomatic breakthrough, Ms. Pelosi suggested that her Kissingerian shuttle diplomacy was just getting started. "We expressed our interest in using our good offices in promoting peace between Israel and Syria," she said

I bet that was news to the Israelis :eek:

Oh no :sick:


Only one problem: The Israeli prime minister entrusted Ms. Pelosi with no such message. "What was communicated to the U.S. House Speaker does not contain any change in the policies of Israel," said a statement quickly issued by the prime minister's office.

Oops :D


In fact, Mr. Olmert told Ms. Pelosi that "a number of Senate and House members who recently visited Damascus received the impression that despite the declarations of Bashar Assad, there is no change in the position of his country regarding a possible peace process with Israel." In other words, Ms. Pelosi not only misrepresented Israel's position but was virtually alone in failing to discern that Mr. Assad's words were mere propaganda.

Duped again. They really can't help themselves :rolleyes:


Ms. Pelosi responded by pointing out that Republican congressmen had visited Syria without drawing presidential censure. That's true enough -- but those other congressmen didn't try to introduce a new U.S. diplomatic initiative in the Middle East. "We came in friendship, hope, and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace," Ms. Pelosi grandly declared.

So the preacher of pacifism and appeasement seems to be suffering from "delusions of grandeur".

Appeasement, the left's mantra :sick:

Never mind that that statement is ludicrous: As any diplomat with knowledge of the region could have told Ms. Pelosi, Mr. Assad is a corrupt thug whose overriding priority at the moment is not peace with Israel but heading off U.N. charges that he orchestrated the murder of former Lebanese prime minister Rafiq al-Hariri. The really striking development here is the attempt by a Democratic congressional leader to substitute her own foreign policy for that of a sitting Republican president.


Yikes :eek: and this from the Washington Post. She must really be a bum Democrat. Then again was there ever any doubt.

I guess she doesn't respect democracy.

But Ms. Pelosi's attempt to establish a shadow presidency is not only counterproductive, it is foolish

Well she has only been there a few months and that word has come up alot.:D
 
Read this article a couple of days ago, didn't think she seemed too bad when she came to power but she's really made a fool of herself now.
 
:D @ alanf.

Ja, Pelosi's been watching too much tv; I mean only Condi can mediate in the middle east (and we do note she has been working hard lately!!?) :D And I mean the last thing [-]america[/-] Condi and Georgie really want is peace in the middle east.

I mean: we won't have anybody to kill! :D

(pongo where are you now?) :)
 
Read this article a couple of days ago, didn't think she seemed too bad when she came to power but she's really made a fool of herself now.

:eek:

I'm appalled :mad: How disappointing :(

You couldn't get a worse Democrat than her :sick:

Well at least you are realising it now ;) . I hate to say it but i told you so :p

*sigh*

You see Kilo you're not the only one on the receiving end :D
 
:eek:

I'm appalled :mad: How disappointing :(

You couldn't get a worse Democrat than her :sick:

Well at least you are realising it now ;) . I hate to say it but i told you so :p

*sigh*

You see Kilo you're not the only one on the receiving end :D

I didn't really look into it at the time to be honest, maybe if I had I would've come to a different conclusion. At least I came right in the end. :D
 
Peace with Syria is generally in Israel's self-interest and it would do a great deal to bring stability to the region.

Assad is a secular leader and that makes him an enemy of muslim extremists.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of that marvelous piece of propaganda.
 
Oh alan. Tut. Do feel for you (but can't abide liars and [-]killers[/-] [-]torturers[/-] scumbags!!.) :D

And got to agree: Pelosi seems a major dweeb. Woe the world. :eek:

//though I withdraw that partially: do not know her enough (or enough about her but the little I've seen has not been good.)
 
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Peace with Syria is generally in Israel's self-interest and it would do a great deal to bring stability to the region.

Assad is a secular leader and that makes him an enemy of muslim extremists.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of that marvelous piece of propaganda.

Peace with all its neighbours would be in Israel's self-interest, it doesn't mean that the other countries are committed to that process though.
 
Peace with all its neighbours would be in Israel's self-interest, it doesn't mean that the other countries are committed to that process though.
Syria is one of them that is committed, though.
 
Peace with Syria is generally in Israel's self-interest and it would do a great deal to bring stability to the region.

Assad is a secular leader and that makes him an enemy of muslim extremists.

Well compared to Israel Assad and the extremists are great buddies :sick: . Just look at their involment in Lebonon. Iran and Syria are practically allies.


And got to agree: Pelosi seems a major dweeb. Woe the world. :eek:

:eek: Poor Pelosi :D

Peace with all its neighbours would be in Israel's self-interest, it doesn't mean that the other countries are committed to that process though.

Very true.

Alan and kilo agreeing, this really is a momentous occasion! :D

We agree on quite a few things. Nothing like our government and Telscum to bring people together. They truly are unifying the nation :cool: against them :D Seems as though Pelosi is heading down the same road :o
 
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And now I'm even reading the Jerusalem Post :D

Rep. Tom Lantos, the head of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, who was a member of Pelosi's delegation, said the meeting "reinforced very strongly" the potential benefits of talking to Syria.

"This is only the beginning of our constructive dialogue with Syria and we hope to build on this visit," he told reporters.

On Tuesday, Bush denounced Pelosi's visit to Syria, saying it sent mixed signals to Assad's government.

"Sending delegations doesn't work. It's simply been counterproductive," Bush said.

Last year, the bipartisan Iraq Study Group recommended Washington open talks with Iran and Syria to try to resolve the war in Iraq and other regional crises. Bush rejected the recommendations, insisting dialogue would not bring results. But in February, the US joined a gathering of regional diplomats in Baghdad that included Iran and Syria for talks on Iraq.

"We came in friendship, hope, and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace," Pelosi said. She said she and her delegation "expressed [their] concern about Syria's connections to Hizbullah and Hamas," and discussed the issue of terrorists slipping across the Syrian border into Iraq.

"These are important issues not only in the fight against terrorism, but priorities for us for peace in the Middle East," she said.
Apr. 5, 2007
PMO denies peace message to Assad


Bush is such a liar and a creep: a scourge upon the earth. How can anybody reach a peaceful settlement if GB and crew refuse to speak to anybody. (though as mentioned I have seen Lady Death in attendance recently: what a farce!!) :mad:

ja: what has happened to all the language: the muslim fascist fundamentalist terrorists al queyda sympathisers.

Ja, feel the pressure dweebs. :)
 
Bwahaha Pelosi does have some fans :cool:

Terrorists endorse Pelosi's 'good policy

Palestinian terror group members call US House speaker's visit to Damascus 'brave' and hope for talks with Iran; ‘I think the Democratic Party can do things the best,’ Islamic Jihad member says

One terror leader, Khaled Al-Batch, a militant and spokesman for Islamic Jihad, expressed hope Pelosi would continue winning elections, explaining the House speaker's Damascus visit demonstrated she understands the Middle East.

Second only to a Islamic extremist :sick:

Pelosi is going down a good road by this policy of dialogue," he said.

*Cough* Appeasement *cough*

Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas' military wing in the Gaza Strip, said the willingness by some lawmakers to talk with Syria "is proof of the importance of the resistance against the US.

"The Americans know and understand they are losing in Iraq and the Middle East and that their only chance to survive is to reduce hostilities with Arab countries and with Islam. Islam is the new giant of the world," he said.

Yeah and Pelosi's groveling will spare us harm from this "giant"

All the American people must make peace with Syria and Iran and with Hamas. Why not?" Jaara said.

Hey why not :) I mean lets let you spread your ideology of hate, violence and intolerance.

The Syrian president then reportedly took Pelosi to lunch at a restaurant in a restored house in Damascus' historic district, according to witnesses.

Charming.

"We came in friendship, hope," she said.

She seems to have a thing for tyrannical thugs :sick:
 
Well she can count on extreme moonbats, terrorists and possibly the worst and weakest president in U.S history it would seem she can't count on female fans in Syria at least.

Has Pelosi Gone Bonkers?

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi was seen roaming the streets of Damascus flaunting a Hijab.

No surprise there.

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070403/481/xhm10204031738

Looks like she has had some "work done". Not that it "worked" :sick: :o

As a Muslim, I fully understand respect of our religion by visiting US officials and I applaud that respect. Had Speaker Pelosi worn the Hijab inside a Mosque, this would have indicated respect but for Pelosi to wear it on the streets of Damascus all the while she is sitting with the self-imposed Baschar al-Assad who has come to symbolize oppression and one of the reasons why women are forced to wear the Hijab as they turn to religion to express their freedom is a statement of submittal not only to oppression but also to lack of women's rights in the Middle East. Pelosi just reversed the work of the Syrian civil society and those who aspire for women's freedom in the Muslim countries many years back with her visual statement.

And here I thought she was a hawkish "girl power" proponent :D

Her lack of experience of the Middle East is showing.

Not according to the Islamic extremists :rolleyes:

Assad could not have been happier because Syrian women, seeing a US official confirming what their husbands, the Imams in the Mosques tell them, and the society at large imposes on them through peer pressure will see in her wearing a Hijab as a confirmation of the societal pressures they are constantly under. No one will ever know how many women took the Hijab on after seeing Pelosi wearing it. The damage Speaker Pelosi is causing with her visit to Syria will be felt for many years to come.

Well done Pelosi :cool:
 
Much as it may be ridiculed here read Hamas' Charter and a few other documents then tell me who is the real enemy.

Yes I support freedom and justice. And you?

Hamas Charter (1988)
The Charter of Allah: The Platform of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas)
Generations to the Day of Resurrection? This is the status [of the land] in Islamic Shari’a, and it is similar to all lands conquered by Islam by force, and made thereby Waqf lands upon their conquest, for all generations of Muslims until the Day of Resurrection. This [norm] has prevailed since the commanders of the Muslim armies completed the conquest of Syria and Iraq, and they asked the Caliph of Muslims, ‘Umar Ibn al-Khattab, for his view of the conquered land, whether it should be partitioned between the troops or left in the possession of its population, or otherwise. Following discussions and consultations between the Caliph of Islam, ‘Umar Ibn al-Khattab, and the Companions of the Messenger of Allah, be peace and prayer upon him, they decided that the land should remain in the hands of its owners to benefit from it and from its wealth; but the control of the land and the land itself ought to be endowed as a Waqf [in perpetuity] for all generations of Muslims until the Day of Resurrection. The ownership of the land by its owners is only one of usufruct, and this Waqf will endure as long as Heaven and earth last. Any demarche in violation of this law of Islam, with regard to Palestine, is baseless and reflects on its perpetrators.
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so much so that it connects with the origin of the spirit and the source of life and raises in the skies of the Homeland the Banner of the Lord, thus inexorably connecting earth with Heaven. When Moses came and threw his baton, sorcery and sorcerers became futile.
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“Allah is the all-powerful, but most people are not aware.” From time to time a clamoring is voiced, to hold an International Conference in search for a solution to the problem. Some accept the idea, others reject it, for one reason or another, demanding the implementation of this or that condition, as a prerequisite for agreeing to convene the Conference or for participating in it. But the Islamic Resistance Movement, which is aware of the [prospective] parties to this conference, and of their past and present positions towards the problems of the Muslims, does not believe that those conferences are capable of responding to demands, or of restoring rights or doing justice to the oppressed. Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the nonbelievers as arbitrators in the lands of Islam. Since when did the Unbelievers do justice to the Believers? “And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah [himself] is the Guidance. And if you should follow their desires after the knowledge which has come unto thee, then you would have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper.” Sura 2 (the Cow), verse 120 There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility. The Palestinian people are too noble to have their future, their right and their destiny submitted to a vain game. As the hadith has it: “The people of Syria are Allah’s whip on this land; He takes revenge by their intermediary from whoever he wished among his worshipers. The Hypocrites among them are forbidden from vanquishing the true believers, and they will die in anxiety and sorrow.” (Told by Tabarani, who is traceable in ascending order of traditionaries to Muhammad, and by Ahmed whose chain of transmission is incomplete. But it is bound to be a true hadith, for both story tellers are reliable. Allah knows best.)
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The Zionist invasion is a mischievous one. It does not hesitate to take any road, or to pursue all despicable and repulsive means to fulfill its desires. It relies to a great extent, for its meddling and spying activities, on the clandestine organizations which it has established, such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, Lions, and other spying associations. All those secret organizations, some which are overt, act for the interests of Zionism and under its directions, strive to demolish societies, to destroy values, to wreck answerableness, to totter virtues and to wipe out Islam. It stands behind the diffusion of drugs and toxics of all kinds in order to facilitate its control and expansion. The Arab states surrounding Israel are required to open their borders to the Jihad fighters, the sons of the Arab and Islamic peoples, to enable them to play their role and to join their efforts to those of their brothers among the Muslim Brothers in Palestine. The other Arab and Islamic states are required, at the very least, to facilitate the movement of the Jihad fighters from and to them. We cannot fail to remind every Muslim that when the Jews occupied Holy Jerusalem in 1967 and stood at the doorstep of the Blessed Aqsa Mosque, they shouted with joy: “Muhammad is dead, he left daughters behind.” Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. “Let the eyes of the cowards not fall asleep.”
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The Hamas, while breaking its path, reiterates time and again to all members of our people and the Arab and Islamic peoples, that it does not seek fame for itself nor material gains, or social status. Nor is it directed against any one member of our people in order to compete with him or replace him. There is nothing of that at all. It will never set out against any Muslims or against the non-Muslims who make peace with it, here or anywhere else. It will only be of help to all associations and organizations which act against the Zionist enemy and those who revolve in its orbit.
http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html

Note: the above document was (previously) banned by the Bush administration.
 
The way I read it The Rotary Club is the real enemy :D

but no, Zionism seems the real enemy (and those who would "destroy Palestine.")
 
Do you agree with that?
Good question Syndyre. I do not doubt that any "border" that was agreed with the establishment of Israel is long gone (in favour of the Israelis.) And I do not doubt that Israel has perpetrated the worse atrocities and civilian deaths (ongoing!) To my mind the jackboot is firmly on the foot of Israel. And the suicide bombings, rocket attacks are a result of a refusal by Israel to see any other point of view beyond their own (backed up by George Bush.)

Once again I point you at this document (which I re-iterate I never finished due to its "radicalness" however the basis of the charges are true, ie, the Ankara document exists.

A Military Pact with Nazism
On January 11, 1941, Avraham Stern proposed a formal military pact between the National Military Organization (NMO), of which Yitzhak Shamir, the current Prime Minister of Israel, was a prominent leader, and the Nazi Third Reich. This proposal became known as the Ankara document, having been discovered after the war in the files of the German Embassy in Turkey. It states the following:

The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for solving the Jewish question; but this can only be made possible and complete through the settlement of these masses in the home of the Jewish people, Palestine, and through the establishment of a Jewish state in its historical boundaries ...

The NMO, which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that:

Common interests could exist between the establishment of a New Order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO.
Cooperation between the new Germany and renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and
The establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East.
Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the condition that the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany’s side. [95]
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The dirty secret of Zionist history is that Zionism was threatened by the Jews themselves. Defending the Jewish people from persecution meant organizing resistance to the regimes which menaced them. But these regimes embodied the imperial order which comprised the only social force willing or able to impose a settler colony on the Palestinian people. Hence, the Zionists needed the persecution of the Jews to persuade Jews to become colonizers afar, and they needed the persecutors to sponsor the enterprise.

But European Jewry had never manifested any interest in colonizing Palestine. Zionism remained a fringe movement among the Jews, who aspired to live in the countries of their birth free of discrimination or to escape persecution by emigrating to bourgeois democracies perceived as more tolerant.

Zionism, therefore, could never answer the needs or aspirations of the Jews. The moment of truth came when persecution gave way to physical extermination. Put to the ultimate and sole test of their real relationship to Jewish survival, the Zionists did not merely fail to lead resistance or defend the Jews, they actively sabotaged Jewish efforts to boycott the Nazi economy. They sought, even then, the sponsorship of the mass murderers themselves, not merely because the Third Reich appeared powerful enough to impose a Zionist colony, but because the Nazi practices were consonant with Zionist assumptions.
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Zionism sought bodies with which to colonize Palestine and preferred Jewish corpses in their millions to any rescue that might settle Jews elsewhere.

If ever a people could be expected to grasp the meaning of persecution, the pain of being perpetual refugees and the humiliation of slander, it ought to have been the Jews.

In place of compassion, the Zionists celebrated the persecution of others, even as they first betrayed the Jews and then degraded them. They selected a victim people of their own on whom to inflict a conquering design. They aligned the surviving Jews with a new genocide against the Palestinian people, cloaking themselves, with savage irony, in the collective shroud of the Holocaust.
[source]

And when I tie that in with "Project for a New World Order" then certain "patterns" become distinct.
 
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