Pete's Weekly - disappointing

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Got this in the mail today from a column I subscribe to called Pete's Weekly. If we adopt this "we should not take the big guys on" attitude, we'll just get screwed over more often from every large company out there.


<b>Internet Access - ADSL= Cheaper, better, faster</b>
A few weeks back I mentioned that I was installing ADSL. A whole bunch of helpful folk wrote back with lots of good reasons why I shouldn't. These are, in no particular order, as follows.

Telkom is an ogre because ADSL access in SA is 4 times more expensive than anywhere else in the known universe. Indeed they are much more expensive. [But this facility is still cheaper than the alternatives - dial-up, ISDN, Diginet, satellite, bongo drums, two tin cans connected with string, etc.]

Telkom is evil because they 'cap your bandwidth'. In English, they limit how much you can upload and download, and if you exceed that limit they slow down your international access. Indeed this is also true. [But most small business users will not come near the 3 Gigabyte (a gigabyte is a thousand million characters) limit.]

Telkom is unfair because they have artificially introduced a non- static IP address. [The English rendition is that they don't want you to host your own web site in your own office via ADSL, so they will stop you from trying.] And this too, dear friends, is true. [But most of us don't have a web site, and certainly wouldn't want to host it at home.]

But that's not the point. The point is that the existing ADSL service - warts and all - is better than anything else Telkom offers, and cheaper - by quite a way. That's why I opted for it. And I use a LOT of bandwidth - yet even so I am on target to sneak under the 'cap' each month.

[In my case 3 Gigabytes allows me each month - to send 100,000 emails, receive 10,000 emails, surf 2 hours/day, and download as much software as I could possibly want to. The 'cap' really only hurts folk downloading big picture files, games, and movies. For most of us small business owners the 'cap' isn't an issue.]

Most of the emails I received wanted me to lead small business owners in a Don Quixotic crusade to change the rules. I really don't like taking the big guys head-on. We little guys should not stand on principle - unless we're talking murder or morals, but surely not money? Shouldn't we little guys simply skirt around looking for better alternatives and bide our time. [A small business 'guy' by my definition includes all persons of the male and female genders, as well as any persons in between.] This means taking advantage of whatever is best at the time, rather vthan trying to fix everything in concrete.

As it happened, I decided to cover all my bases, and called Telkom to arrange a second ADSL access account. [The 'cap' is not for the physical ADSL line itself, but for the Prolog Internet access account that Telkom offers - just as your Telkom telephone facility is different from your Internet ISP.] After waiting 7 minutes for a sales person to take my order - while a friendly electronic fellow invited me to enjoy a full 3 course lunch while assuring me that my custom was critical to Telkom and I remained amongst their most important clients - I gave up.

Don't get me wrong. I can be pretty patient - but I had just completed a 9 call safari to disconnect an ISDN line, as well as a 15 call polar expedition to get ADSL installed in the first place. So the cup of patience wasn't exactly runnething over.

[You may be interested to know that Telkom now applies a credit limit of R1000 to any new business account - even if you have a record of paying them between R3000-R6000 each month - and in my case they forgot to mention this limit to me - so my ADSL line was cut within the first 2 weeks for non- payment - before receiving that first bill! Fortunately that was only 4 calls and 20 minutes on a cell phone to their toll free numbers.] They seemed surprised that I couldn't use the disconnected facility to call their toll free numbers to reconnect the line. That's the corporate environemnt for you.

Anyway - Plan B was to phone a different ISP - in my case Eastcoast.co.za - and arrange an additional account. I chose them because they're just up the road, but that doesn't matter as they supply ADSL access countrywide. A real live human being quickly answered - one of the many, many reasons I prefer dealing with smaller businesses. The account was set up within a few minutes. So where was that problem again?

This means that the first 3GB costs me about R800 [R600 line rental plus the first ISP account] - which also gives me a regular telephone line. The next 3GB costs a mere R239.

Put this in perspective - to download 6GB otherwise you would have to be on a dial up or ISDN line continuously for about 30 days. Which gets kinda expensive at 40 cents/minute. My previous ISDN account plus Mweb access - cost about R2700 each month - and was much slower. So my savings are just under R2000 per month - or R23000 per year. That's more beer than even I can drink.

Bottom line - don't get lost in the emotion. Focus on what you want and need to achieve your dreams. And we cannot achieve our dreams if we're focused on getting even with others. Can we? Despite Telkom being the worst supplier in the history of man - it's worth the hassle of getting ADSL. It will open up your horizons while saving you money.

PS And finally, lest you have another conspiracy theory to share. This article is written without any financial incentive being offered or requested - especially from Telkom. I simply wanted to air the thought that we get lost in the petty stuff and lose focus on the important stuff.

http://www.petesweekly.co.za/
 
Ok, any personal comments here are directed at the author of the original article / mail / whatever, not at poor martin. [:D]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Put this in perspective - to download 6GB otherwise you would have to be on a dial up or ISDN line continuously for about 30 days.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
You must be joking. 3GB at 15KB/sec is a little under 60 hours of downloading; that's less than a weekend on 128K ISDN, which (assuming no disconnects) will have cost you only R15 in phone charges. Or, to put it this way; in this month, there will be 39 12-hour callmore periods. That works out to around 24GB that I'll download in this month. If you need bandwidth, ADSL is clearly not an option. Oh, and for reference, that 24GB would cost me an additional R1673 worth of extra accounts; meanwhile, my 128K ISDN costs me less than R1000/month,

Now, to summarize the rest of what has been said; it basically boils down to "ADSL may be crap, but it's better than everything else." That, I am afraid, is only true in one very specific set of circumstances: If you need a permanent internet connection, with very low bandwidth usage, and can't afford a leased line, then ADSL is the best option available at this time. Under almost any other circumstances, there are options that are superior to ADSL. And also, just because it's the best option available doesn't mean it's not completely awful.

mithrandi
 
Well put mithrandi ,my sentiments exactly.

<i>We little guys should not stand on principle - unless we're talking murder or morals, but surely not money?</i>

What is that all about? We should be standing on principle for everything!
 
Very well written in my IMHO.

It puts things in layman’s terms and a (reasonably) valid argument about costs. However, I look forward to the author’s comments after he has used it for a few weeks and discovers what “port shaping” and “best effort” service are all about.

I have never exceeded my cap, and probably never will, but applications that worked when I first got the service no longer do. I find myself having to constantly second guess Telkom rather than using accepted Internet standards and have to be content with what Telkom think I should be allowed to do with my access.

I hope he has the decency to air his true experience in the same media, and to the same market, that he aired his original opinions when it fails to meet his expectations.

On the other hand he ignored the warnings, and could become a great asset to this community. Lets invite him to join (in a few weeks time).[:D]

Cheers
Chris
 
On the strength of that published on the site where the original article appeared, Peter Carruthers is an entrepreneurial type, interested in promoting entrepreneurship. I wonder how he could possibly justify not wanting to rant and rave at a monopolisitic organisation, seemingly hell-bent on derailing the entrepreneurial and service efforts of others... There are some of us who provide vital services utilising any and every mechanism available, and it becomes a bit much when faced with actions seemingly designed to prevent this... It becomes even more tragic when you realise that these services impact on 'downstream' activities concerned with social upliftment and community development, via NGO-type organisations... Where is Telkom's social responsibility, never mind service delivery?! And don't tell me that such organisations must put in a leased-line - their limited funding is better spent on their primary purpose, not to boost Telkom's profits!
 
I can imagine that Pete is quite happy in Knysna - nice place,
but hardly the business hub of South Africa.

I can believe that adsl in a Knysna cottage near the beach could be quite pleasant and sending out 3 emails to 35000 subscribers per month is quite sweet.

Also browsing the internet for two hours a day makes him a perfect candidate for Telkom adsl.

As long as Pete sticks to his routine he will probably be quite happy with his adsl for some time, but methinks he will get some stick from his subscribers who take his advice.

Time will tell - I hope he includes a link to myadsl in his weekly letter.
 
Agreed - I've just sent him an email inviting him to visit and view this Topic (sorry Caroper, but he should join now rather than later) - let's see if he takes up the challenge of providing a link...
 
I have to agree with microfast - Pete's obviously at the forefront of ecommerce in SA.

It's the "we little guys" typically South Afican apathetic approach that gets my goat.

Telkom is definately handbraking the development of e-services in this country.
 
I am ICT admin for a small uk organisation. We use adsl and would be lost without it. Pete's contention that a small business can get by on 3gb a month is patently ridiculous. We have 20 users and run our own mail server. We use about 2gb /day of bandwidth. ADSL has enabled us to do things that we only dreamed of in previous years. Our service is reliable and cost effective.
 
&gt; Telkom is an ogre because ADSL access in SA is 4 times more expensive than anywhere else...

Yes, but no matter what package, you are being overcharged. This is not ok, and people have a damn good right to complain. Telkom ensure any package will work out to be fiendishly expensive, by imposing various limitations, such as it does on the ADSL service. 5 - 10% of your monthly salary for ADSL? This has to be a higher percentage than almost any country in the world. And I'm qualified professional, what about those whom are less fortunate? With current charges, it's become a service for the elite, which has to be around 2-3% of this population, at the most.

&gt; Telkom is evil because they 'cap your bandwidth'...

I tune into broadband radio daily whilst working (128k per sec) and my daily limit is already over what it should be. For a radio station. What is the point us all being open to the advances in the Internet, if often we have to then go without? I've had to cancel a free Windows sidebar app at 8mb, because I'm afraid of running over the limit. I disconnect the router at night - not sure if it helps - but I'm being careful. If you'd done your homework, you would see that in the UK, often 20% or so of the bandwidth is being used, due to massive amounts of money into infrastructure invested. There is a lot available, and we should be getting more. Bandwidth is not as expensive as Telkom would have you believe. Why do I not expect a Telkom rep to jump on this post and explain otherwise? If one did, I'd surely be open to their feedback.

&gt; Telkom is unfair because they have artificially introduced a non- static IP address...

Well yes, it is ENTIRELY. My brother is in the UK. Why can I not post my latest videos and photo's into a local folder for him and his family to see? Why can I not have clients gaining access to their projects without me needing to upload all to a server and my time spent when I could be doing other things? Why are we falling behind when other countries move forward?

All three issues interlink and affect each other. Together they add up to an excruciating experience but one we can't live without. The alternatives aren't any better.

Pete, I seem to think you'll be getting your first year's subscription to ADSL free - Telkom kickback - with such an article devoid of any actual research, and in my opinion so biased. You seem to be the bloke whom has just stumbled upon broadband. You seem to not be aware of what options you have available when you have the (supposed) freedom of broadband. And you are writing an article on it? You should do your homework and write responsibly. As a journalist, you would not be bestowed any award by my fictional panel of judges, I assure you of that.

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To revice an old thread, in Petes Weekly latest edition:

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And finally, I am writing this at my favourite coffee shop in La Lucia Mall, connected to the Internet via myWireless at high speed. I am testing it out, and thus far it knocks spots off anything else currently available in SA. Cheaper than ADSL [monthly as well as equipment cost], more flexible than ADSL [you don't have to transfer lines when you move, and it works wherever you are], quicker to install, no 'cap' on your downloads [unlike ADSL's 3 gigabyte cap], and no 'hidden' issues like ADSL [which deprioritises everything - including email - in favour of web browsing - making it unusable for a few hours each day].
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He certainly has changed his tune [:D]
 
I don't know what he calls a "small business", but we are filling 3GB in about 2 weeks.

E-Mails and webbrowsing mostly.

E-mail alone consumes about 100-150MB per working day. We have only 5 "heavy mailers" - not that many e-mails, but the attachments!

Before ADSL we spent a fortune on DHL :-)

The reality is that we do compete with international companies. We need the "image" of at the techno cutting edge.

We were laughing stock when requesting docs to be DHL'ed!

At least we solved that problem.

But thanks to Telkom our Internet cost is still a multiple of that of our competitors. And our bandwidth is mickey mouse compared to what my competitors have.

We spend considerable amounts of time and energy in sidestepping our Telkom disadvantages.

This in a cut-throat market.

Maybe we should give up and settle elsewhere.

I believe that the Telkom CEO will happily explain to our staff why they no longer have jobs.

South Africa needs World Class Broadband at World Competitive Prices.
 
Hell, KASPAAS - I feel for you: am in a similar situation. Is MyWireless not an option for you?
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by microfast</i>
<br />I can imagine that Pete is quite happy in Knysna - nice place,
but hardly the business hub of South Africa.

I can believe that adsl in a Knysna cottage near the beach could be quite pleasant and sending out 3 emails to 35000 subscribers per month is quite sweet.

Also browsing the internet for two hours a day makes him a perfect candidate for Telkom adsl.

As long as Pete sticks to his routine he will probably be quite happy with his adsl for some time, but methinks he will get some stick from his subscribers who take his advice.

Time will tell - I hope he includes a link to myadsl in his weekly letter.
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Ah Good 'ol Pete ..... soon more will discover his knowledge [;)]
 
He sounds like Telkom's ideal customer.

And no Pete, we will take on the big guys.

Things are different in the city (not to be nasty [:)]) But your quote of "The next 3GB costs a mere R239" I hope you were being sarcastic cos that's about the cap for two days anywhere other than SA.. and "don't get lost in the emotion" - how can one not?

Pete White maybe... [:0]

<font color="navy"><font size="1"><b>Where others have progress, we have Telkom.</b>
Hellkom website - http://telkomsucks.0catch.com</font id="size1"></font id="navy">
 
I've been very happy with my ADSL service too, and received it in good time (21 days) and with little effort.

The service works, and for me, was the first USABLE Internet connection I've ever had at home, after having gone through analogue and ISDN for years.

Peter is right. It's MUCH better than any of the other services. It's just not broadband/ADSL as it's sold in the rest of the world.

I've only hit my cap a few times so far, and have signed up for Sentech so that I can change my surfing behaviour. Since then, I've become a leech, but that's purely because the facility is now there...

Very well written article.

<center><h5><font color="red">Oo. MyWireless <s>Hacks</s> Tweaks & Tech Info.oO </font id="red"></h5><h6>Have you checked the fawking FAQ?</h6></center>
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mbs</i>
<br />Hell, KASPAAS - I feel for you: am in a similar situation. Is MyWireless not an option for you?
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Nope, my office is not even in a planned area for MyWireless yet.[:(]

South Africa needs World Class Broadband at World Competitive Prices.
 
Good day friends

I am not going to say much about the “Pete’s Weekly” post, seeing as we have heard this before and uglier than that, most of us have experienced this before. There is one thing in Pete’s mail that I would like to highlight though…

“Shouldn't we little guys simply skirt around looking for better alternatives and bide our time.”

I am sorry, but I looked around for another telecom’s service provider in South Africa but Telkom was all I could see from the eastern border to the west. Anybody else seen another telecom’s company?

Cheers
Antowan




He who does not understand the value of war at the right time, cannot comprehend the value of life at any time - Anonymous
 
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