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Mephisto_Helix

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Deleting posts won't make the way photo comps are handled any less of a farce .......

Point is, it's all well and good to have comps that appear to cater for differences but the application, come closing date, is what makes it a farce.

P&S / Camerphone Comp - yep, top 10 consisted of majority high end phone entries.
Macro Comp - top 10 consisted of pictures that had nothing to do with macro.
Latest Comp - Anyone with a dead ordinary camera going to be in the top 10 versus a guy using a 9k camera posting shots, not ever.

What's the point of those 3 points? Much better shots, that fell within the criteria, didn't even make the cut.

I love seeing what people can capture and all that but you really need to be a bit more stringent when it comes to the variation and criteria because up until now, it's been a huge fail.
 
Without wanting to sound like I am whinging, I do agree.

I considered not sharing my photos as I thought I had no chance and then I thought what the hell. However, there are some photos that I cannot possibly replicate with a camera phone as I have no ability to adjust shutter speed etc. Yes, these photos may not win but if the winner is based on the wow factor then for most people something they have not seen often, and cannot achieve themselves with their limited hardware, is most likely to elicit this wow response.

It is really tough to judge art objectively though as it will always appeal to you on an emotional level with no scientifically measurable basis. Knowing what the judging criteria is though would be helpful. If it is a popularity contest then you have influences like how you feel about the person who shared the photo also influencing the decision.
 
I'm confused. Are you complaining because people who use cameras often, and in some cases professionally, have better chances to win photographic competitions than those who snap arbitrarily and have little knowledge in the field?
 
I'm confused. Are you complaining because people who use cameras often, and in some cases professionally, have better chances to win photographic competitions than those who snap arbitrarily and have little knowledge in the field?

More than that, it comes down to having an eye for it. You can have a R20k DSLR, but still take crap pics. Phone and PS cameras can still take great landscape pictures. I'm sure the entries will be judged individually, which is why they asked to specify the camera used.

My only gripe with these competitions are the knobs who don't resize their pictures, and the thread takes ages to load because of it. These guys need to be disqualified if they can't be bothered to read the rules.
 
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My only gripe with these competitions are the knobs who don't resize their pictures, and the thread takes ages to load because of it.<snip>

^^^+1

Let the best judged pic win, and the winner enjoy the prize... enter or don't enter, no skin off my back... just hoooivaay, whattalattawhinging... whining after not winning, whinging about entering... again and again the whaahwhaawwhaaah.

Just get over it already.
 
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More than that, it comes down to having an eye for it. You can have a R20k DSLR, but still take crap pics. Phone and PS cameras can still take great landscape pictures. I'm sure the entries will be judged individually, which is why they asked to specify the camera used.

My only gripe with these competitions are the knobs who don't resize their pictures, and the thread takes ages to load because of it. These guys need to be disqualified if they can't be bothered to read the rules.

That's it right there!
 
I'm confused. Are you complaining because people who use cameras often, and in some cases professionally, have better chances to win photographic competitions than those who snap arbitrarily and have little knowledge in the field?

I think he means that having a good camera and some technique is actually a disadvantage... and having some editing skills is too.
 
I think the competitions are just fine the way they are (yes, I am not completely a impartial, but I am still entitled to an opinion).

The photo that receives the most votes wins - this does not mean that the "best" photo wins, whatever your criteria are. Having the most popular photo win is fair, IMHO.

As for which photos make it into the final 10: of course this is subjective. Just keep entering, and remember to have fun!
 
I'm an average to poor photographer...but I'm willing to bet that I could give the whingers a DSLR and still give them a go with my P&S.

It's easier to moan and bitch than actually read about composition, exposure, subject matter and basic PP and experiment how to operate within the limits of your device...
 
I think the competitions are just fine the way they are (yes, I am not completely a impartial, but I am still entitled to an opinion).

The photo that receives the most votes wins - this does not mean that the "best" photo wins, whatever your criteria are. Having the most popular photo win is fair, IMHO.

As for which photos make it into the final 10: of course this is subjective. Just keep entering, and remember to have fun!

In my opinion, on a limited-exposure forum, facebook page or the like, this concept is a massive, gigantic failure from the outset. Last year Canon's Expo's photography competition followed this format. While the winner per category was determined by votes collected from the expo, Facebook, their site and where ever else they might have displayed the top10 per category, the issue was that the top10 that actually made it to that stage were determined exclusively by Facebook likes.

1. Post entries
2. Get all your friends and family and their friends and family, and a few fake accounts on the side, to vote your entries into the top10
3. ???
4. 1/10 chance that your photo ends up winning if those voting end up having to choose one turd over another

Consequently there were many entries that genuinely deserved to be in those top10 that simply never made the cut because the people that submitted the photos were being too modest and never once requested on their Facebook walls (openly, anyway) that people go vote for them. I know this because I Facebook stalked virtually all the entrants to see how things would pan out, because I have far too much time and am creepy that way.


This year, however, the top10 (ie finalists) will be determined by a closed panel of judges, while the winner per category will be determined by the votes from the various galleries. This time, that means their expo (which last year had 12.5k or 13.5k people visit, and this year is likely to have even more people visit), three Galleries throughout Jo'Burg/Sandton, their Facebook page as well as their Expo gallery.

So while someone may be able to gather as much as a thousand votes via Facebook whoring, those thousand votes will need to weigh in against the thousand votes another Facebook-whoring entrant might have gotten in addition to the unbiased votes received from the various other avenues. This, especially, considering that multiple votes from the same person are not counted, only one per person. So at the end of the day last year's voting criteria certainly ended up choosing the 'most worthy' photo per category, but what determined their place in the top10 was simply broken.


So no, a system that works purely on a I-have-more-friends-than-you basis is flawed and should never be employed, as it is not fair in the least.


I considered not sharing my photos as I thought I had no chance and then I thought what the hell. However, there are some photos that I cannot possibly replicate with a camera phone as I have no ability to adjust shutter speed etc.

If you don't have one already, get ahold of a variable ND filter for your cellphone and get/make some way to mount it in front of your lens so you don't have to hold it in place all the time. Adjust the thing's strength until you slow your shutter to the speed you want. As you probably know, there's no point in trying to have a faster shutter speed if you can't capture enough light during that time. Your phone has a practical limit to how far it's going to take the ISO up, which you can hopefully control. If not, that sucks :/ time to get a cheap compact! :D
 
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So no, a system that works purely on a I-have-more-friends-than-you basis is flawed and should never be employed, as it is not fair in the least.

Ok, but there is a subtle difference here. While I agree that a free-for-all-one-with-the-most-votes-wins is not fair, this is not exactly the way the photo comps are run here on MyBB, which, as you know, involves a first round of selection by a panel.

Keeping in mind the audience and the entrants, I do not think a full-blown closed panel of judges is appropriate for MyBB. If you want that level of competition, there are plenty of other options available. I will re-iterate: the MyBB photo comps are about having fun!
 
I've got a wall'o'text draft saved up of my opinion on the matter, though I can preface its posting by pointing out I'm in defense of 'fun' competitions (and unfair or biased competitions mean less fun for everyone). It's obviously not possible to keep everyone happy, but going about things in a rational, reasonable manner can help reduce the chances for people to feel hurt.

As for how MyBB photo competitions work, first time I'm seeing one on MyBB as I don't lurk on this board much at all.

If you'd like to see the wall'o'text, I'm happy to post it. It's long though.
 
FYI I tend to ignore photos whose owners haven't cropped, and you have to scroll all over the place to see.

If they're too lazy to resize, I'm too lazy to scroll.
 
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