Photography as a hobby

[garyc]

You know not so much as you might think given the huge variance in pricing. I took the 1200D, 70D, and 7Dmk2 crop bodies and compared them on DxOMark and the results were interesting:

Considering you can get the 1200D for R4500 and the 7Dmk2 will cost you R21000 you have to ask yourself if you need the bells and whistles the more expensive body offers.

I can't remember the last time I deleted a photo…

I didn't word my post very clearly, the 1200D offers excellent image quality for the price. I was rather taking aim at the cameras with the 1/2.3" sensors.

 

[bwana]

Shoots video beautifully that's what I use it for.

Combined with my logitech c920

Job done then I've got a first gen EOS-M that, despite my ongoing love/hate relationship with it, I use in the same way.

 

[bwana]

I didn't word my post very clearly, the 1200D offers excellent image quality for the price. I was rather taking aim at the cameras with the 1/2.3" sensors.

Ah - that makes perfect sense then

1/2.3" is what? Cellphone?

 

[TehStranger]

I never said he was, neither did he. he just wanted advice on DSLR bundles so maybe he's already thought this through and actually wants a DSLR bundle?

I'm pretty sure I also read a post from someone claiming the entry level dslr bodies are a waste but I couldn't disagree more. The differences between the XXXXD/XXXD ranges and the XXD range are negligible for a beginner. Then again I've always thought the XXD was a waste of money. I think I paid less for my first two 400Ds than I would have, at the time at least, for a single 40D. @koffiejunkie and I sparred regularly on the subject and I don't think either of us managed to convince the other

Plenty of maybes in that post. Maybe he has done all of this research, if so then great, if not then the discussion of DSLR merits vs Bridge merits is relevant. My point has always been DSLR is overkill for a novice, and that they should cut their teeth on more of an all-rounder, and grow into a DSLR.

 

[garyc]

Ah - that makes perfect sense then

1/2.3" is what? Cellphone?

Normally used for pocket compacts and bridge cameras. Some bridge cameras however use 1" sensors which give good results.

A bit OT: You expressed some reservations with the EOS M. I have been thinking about an M3 with a pancake lens as a carry camera (travel etc.). What do you see as the main issues with the M system?

 

[bwana]

Plenty of maybes in that post. Maybe he has done all of this research, if so then great, if not then the discussion of DSLR merits vs Bridge merits is relevant. My point has always been DSLR is overkill for a novice, and that they should cut their teeth on more of an all-rounder, and grow into a DSLR.

I'm going to have to disagree - in my books the suitability of a SLR has nothing to do with the current level of ability, but with the level of interest the person has in photography.

Normally used for pocket compacts and bridge cameras. Some bridge cameras however use 1" sensors which give good results.

Don't you mean 2/3" rather than 1/2.3"?

A bit OT: You expressed some reservations with the EOS M. I have been thinking about an M3 with a pancake lens as a carry camera (travel etc.). What do you see as the main issues with the M system?

It's been a rollercoaster affair for me. Initially the EOS-M was plagued with AF issues but a firmware update solved that. Battery life wasn't spectacular, so I bought spares. Then I realised I couldn't connect it to my pocket wizards so I installed blackmagic and sort of worked around that using the intervalometer and motion detection settings… that aside I really do love it. It's compact, takes awesome photos and video, I can use all my canon lenses, the 22mm lens that came with it is pretty decent… it's the perfect in case of emergency break glass backup camera when I'm on assignment and a great everyday/holiday camera.

EDIT: did I mention all my lenses?

 

[garyc]

I see that the chart does not include the 1/2.3 sensor. Here is one which shows it: http://www.gizmag.com/camera-sensor-size-guide/26684/pictures?thumb=true#picture2. It also shows the 1/3.2 which is used in some phones.

It looks like I had better start stalking some EOS M forums to see if the software issues are sorted on the M3. That picture you posted makes me really want one as a travel camera .

 

[Thor]

I will probably make my own thread, but @ you pro's is there a website or some way that I can see what lenses will work on my 550D, I still want to persue my own photography hobbies and since I have a little money now compared to back then when I bought the camera maybe it's time to also rekindle this and soup up my kit.

 

[bwana]

I will probably make my own thread, but @ you pro's is there a website or some way that I can see what lenses will work on my 550D, I still want to persue my own photography hobbies and since I have a little money now compared to back then when I bought the camera maybe it's time to also rekindle this and soup up my kit.

No a bad idea, so when you do be sure to indicate what you want to do with the new glass.

Short answer - they'll all work with the 550D.

 

[Thor]

 

[bwana]

I see that the chart does not include the 1/2.3 sensor. Here is one which shows it: http://www.gizmag.com/camera-sensor-size-guide/26684/pictures?thumb=true#picture2. It also shows the 1/3.2 which is used in some phones.

It looks like I had better start stalking some EOS M forums to see if the software issues are sorted on the M3. That picture you posted makes me really want one as a travel camera .

Despite it's faults it's a great travel camera, especially if you've already got some canon lenses. I sometimes wish I'd bought a spare when Makro had the first gen one on sale.

 

[bwana]

I see that the chart does not include the 1/2.3 sensor. Here is one which shows it: http://www.gizmag.com/camera-sensor-size-guide/26684/pictures?thumb=true#picture2. It also shows the 1/3.2 which is used in some phones.

It looks like I had better start stalking some EOS M forums to see if the software issues are sorted on the M3. That picture you posted makes me really want one as a travel camera .

I need to add that I finally got my EOS-M firing with my Pocket Wizards so I'm pretty happy now

 

[garyc]

If you are looking for a friend for the EOS M, then the M10 is going for R4.5k body only.

I a currently debating between the M3 and the even smaller Nikon J5. A stock clearance Fuji X100S is an outside contender.

One nice thing about the M3 is that according to DXO it has the highest image quality of any Canon crop body (albeit by a small margin).

 

[bwana]

If you are looking for a friend for the EOS M, then the M10 is going for R4.5k body only.

I a currently debating between the M3 and the even smaller Nikon J5. A stock clearance Fuji X100S is an outside contender.

One nice thing about the M3 is that according to DXO it has the highest image quality of any Canon crop body (albeit by a small margin).

That might be an idea… esp if it ever goes on sale like the first gen did.

If you have canon lenses then the M series makes a lot of sense, if not then the choice is harder to make.

 

[vorman]

Thanks Guys, all advice much appreciated