Plans to improve firearm applications

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Blah blah blah the old administration was trying its best, the ex minister admitted it.
As for this? They are going to resolve the outstanding mess after all the pending court cases.
Hey wait were the gvt not warned about this system? Oh right its the ANC we are talking about ;)
 
Is that a joke? BGSA were about to proceed with a multi billion case against CFR, minister and police.
That is one amongst hundreds.
I personally, due to my involvement in this issue, know of many people successfully suing the head of CFR.
Waste of taxpayers money.
ANC Were warned..... They didn't listen
 
So what exactly was the point of the suing and how will this latest news affect things? Surely this should be seen as a move in the right direction? Gun competency almost as important as the license itself if you ask me.
 
No it is not. Competency and approval of firearm are 2 different things, well according the FCA anyway.
Suing? Well it seems it is the only language the ANC understand and iirc all cases fought in court were lost by the gvt.
Why do they never listen? This could have been avoided and billions of our tax money saved
 
Been waiting almost 2 years for my application for a certificate to be processed. Need I say more.
 
I don't understand, how would billions of our tax money be saved?

snail said:
Been waiting almost 2 years for my application for a certificate to be processed. Need I say more.
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Won't this new legislature speed things up?
 
Fudzy said:
I don't understand, how would billions of our tax money be saved?



Won't this new legislature speed things up?
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Before the current legislation was introduced you could get a firearms license within a month or two.
Now you are lucky if they can do it in two years.

The new firearms law has costed SA quite a few million already, with no improvements at all.
 
Get yourself a black powder firearm (No license required) think wild west era, you only need a license for the powder and from what I have heard it is relatively easy to get
 
Fudzy said:
How?
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I cant help but feel you are baiting me but I will try explain.
The cost of implementing this FCA cost hundreds of millions over the last 10-12 years. I am just talking about logistics, gvt costs, etc etc. The costs of implementing such a huge act and the process involved was massive.
Overtime of police was also huge.
Court cases against the police and in particular Brigadier Bothma, head of CFR at the time ran into further millions if not more than that.
Now the situation is almost at collapse.
Why do you think this task team was appointed? If it continued to go on like this, the police budget would have been spent on civil claims.
I suppose it also helps to have certain children of members of cabinet being refused after 2yrs for a firearm ;)
 
R/SGT said:
Get yourself a black powder firearm (No license required) think wild west era, you only need a license for the powder and from what I have heard it is relatively easy to get
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In addition, all persons in possession of muzzle loading firearms would need to apply for competency certificates and would have 12 months in which to comply.
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Not for long it seems.
 
marine1 said:
I cant help but feel you are baiting me but I will try explain.
The cost of implementing this FCA cost hundreds of millions over the last 10-12 years. I am just talking about logistics, gvt costs, etc etc. The costs of implementing such a huge act and the process involved was massive.
Overtime of police was also huge.
Court cases against the police and in particular Brigadier Bothma, head of CFR at the time ran into further millions if not more than that.
Now the situation is almost at collapse.
Why do you think this task team was appointed? If it continued to go on like this, the police budget would have been spent on civil claims.
I suppose it also helps to have certain children of members of cabinet being refused after 2yrs for a firearm ;)
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No, no baiting here just wondered if these costs were attributed to gun shop owners loss of revenue or civil cases against the police for people who are attacked who were waiting for guns.

Found another interesting thread when trying to find out what CFR meant (Central Firearm Register for those who were also not sure :D )
http://pagfsa.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=68

I wonder if this is a result of BGOASA's requests.

Either way, I hope it's ground to moving towards having more compentent gun owners licensed quicker and licenses of those not competent taken away.
 
How are government still not trying to disarm the public ? I can tell trough your answers you do not own a firearm, do you belong to GFSA ?

This is not a process re-design it's just a smoke screen to hide the ineffectual FCA, he did not state anything about licenses, just competency certificates, two totally different things ! Did you read the article bud ? The minister has in effect admitted there was no process in the new act catering for competency certificate renewals, what does that tell you about the whole process if this was the first step in obtaining a license ?

How, you keep asking. Well lets see, there were 2 000 000 + firearm owners legally possessing firearms. Government then decided to relicense all of them, so a committee was assembled to decide how to go about it. Then a task team was put together to assess what resources were needed to implement the new act, a new FCR was implemented and staffed. Then government decided to tell everyone about the new act and asked for public input (what a joke), upon seeing the resistance from all groups concerned government knew what was going to happen but went ahead anyway.

Concerned groups decided to follow legal routes to challenge the new act and it's shortcomings, not to mention the constitutionality of the whole process, which led to a high court interdict ruling that all licenses under the old act remain valid until the case against the act could be finalised. This is now 6 years after government was told the Canadian long gun system would not work (what the new act is based on), as it was abandoned by Canada for the exact same reasons.

So now I ask you, in all this how do you not see government wasting millions of rands ? :confused:
 
snail said:
Been waiting almost 2 years for my application for a certificate to be processed. Need I say more.
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+1

Was in a que on 31/09/09.
Was assisted around h2300.
Up to now I didn't her a thing.
My application was an easy one.
I am a dedicated Sports Hunter with all the accreditations ans recommendations from a Hunting Association.
Still nothing happened.
 
Fudzy said:
I'd be interested to hear from those on this forum that believed government were taking steps to disarm the public?
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Of course they are! Total paranoia rules! The genius plan to amalgamate the Metro police with the SAPS bears the grubby fingerprints of the government’s mission to centralise all potential threats to their hegemony. Other plans to remove any possible threats include:

#1 The commando’s have been disbanded.

SAns will never be allowed to return to anything remotely resembling a khaki clad group of men with white skin and guns. The image is one the AWB cultivated and the word commando has an instant association with the word ‘Boer’. This is a pity because they had the infrastructure (ambulances, hospitals, etc.), the command structure and a large, disciplined body of men who could be activated at a moments notice. They would have been useful for natural catastrophes (climate change), bush fires, floods, earth quakes, etc. They didn’t wimp-out easily.
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#2 The navy has been rendered ineffectual.

#3 The air-force has been rendered ineffectual.

#4 The army has been rendered useless and has provided a patronage haven for supporters.

#5 There are ongoing attempts to disarm the population.

#6 Restrictive legislation has been put into place to prevent the population from importing weaponry (to protect themselves from criminals).

#7 Any half-way effective police unit has been disbanded like child-abuse, rape etc. units and the Scorpions (of course).

#8 The ongoing attempt to centralise the metro police with the SAPS.

#9 School shooting teams have been disbanded.

I am especially narked about #9. One of my sons got his school colours for musketry (shooting) in grade 8. He was in the last cohort of students before the school shooting team was disbanded (he didn’t wear khaki incidentally – school uniform). His colours were quite a rarity because the means of getting them didn’t exist any longer. He traded on this for the rest of his school career.

Note: In SA, many all-boys high schools had shooting teams. They competed with one another.
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Fudzy
Gun competency almost as important as the license itself if you ask me.
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Who would teach gun competency? MK and APLA retreads? My big toe knows more about gun competency than they ever will. So do most SA male citizens who did military service.

For your interest.
 
BigBullBully said:
How are government still not trying to disarm the public ? I can tell trough your answers you do not own a firearm, do you belong to GFSA ?
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Lol, no I don't believe disarming Joe Public is the right thing to do but there needs to be stricter regulations in who they give licenses out to.

I didn't know about the cock up that is the CFR. What resistance did it get from the groups?
 
Palimino said:
Fudzy


Who would teach gun competency? MK and APLA retreads? My big toe knows more about gun competency than they ever will. So do most SA male citizens who did military service.

For your interest.
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Well hopefuly those SA males citizens would step up, I'm talking more about psychological screening and so forth. I've had quite a few friends who have lost loved ones in murder-suicides.

And quite frankly those white khaki commandos only have themselves to blame, I highly doubt they were willing to change their ways.
 
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