Why is south africas election, which was described by international observers as free and fair(like the previous 3), seen by some as the collapse of south africa into just another african country? Surely this is the exact opposite of what happens in most african countries?(ask zim)
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You say you can't compare SA to Zim yet that is exactly what some south africans on this thread have been doing. The rough quote is something along the lines of "Oh the ANC has won, this place is going to go to the dogs. Zuma is going to turn us into Zim...."
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
Because no party should be allowed the temptation of having so much power to do as they please, afterall absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Modern democracy is perceived to be a two-party state with a possible minority party or independents to sway the vote.
The system we have in South Africa is very wrong for many reasons:
- Firstly their is a single party with too much power which removes all accountability and allows that party to do what they will without so much as a thought for the will of the people.
- Secondly South Africa, unlike many modern democracies, does not elect representatives of themselves to Parliament (something the US Congress does do) and this means that MPs do not know their voters or the people they represent. Had this been the case then MPs are free to vote their conscience; which means they fear not being removed by the ruling party (in this instance the ANC) and can better represent their particular voting district or constituency.
As it stands if you do not vote along party lines you are suspended and your seat given to someone else. However, in a truly representative democracy the only way to be re-elected to Parliament is by your voters - treat them right and you have a seat for life.
Had the above been true in South Africa then a 2/3 majority is not as frightening as it seems because not all the ANC MPs would necessarily vote the way the ANC dictates.
- Finally, our electorate is highly uneducated (in matters of politics) and merely vote for a particular party on the basis of some almost historical right and legacy, which no longer exists. Proper education would give them the choice to place a representative in power who will fight for their rights, and also hold accountable anyone who does not.
In conclusion, a change to the constitution is indeed required, but this should be the collective decision of several parties and not the dictated beliefs of a single party; a single party claiming to represent the people who elected them, when in reality they are so far removed in their "ivory towers" they have little understanding the suffering and needs of a vast majority of this country.
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Apart from all the goings on over the last 5-10 years, I think the cherry on the top for all of us who are scared of a zim2 started with the unfair scrapping of the scorpions. It was unfair, if they were unhappy with the head then change him. Why scrap something that is doing a good job and cost millions to set up? All this despite the public outcry too...
Then Zuma, who has been using taxpayers money to fund his defence for 7 years, doing everything in the book to not go to court, manages, thru interferance with so called independant judiciary and npa, and thru firing Vusi Pikoli, gets charges dropped for some pathetic reason. None of this is explained properly to the public, nor is the method of obtaining so called tapes illegally explained.
The final straw is that his partner in crime is released from jail on some trumped up medical report.
These put together, along with Mbeki's siding with communists and dictators over the last 4 years, and Malema's ramblings, really don't add to the ANC's perceived democratic intentions, and served to scare the hell out of the most patriotic of us in the minority population, and even some in the majority population.
Probably because some things need explaining, like why there were more votes cast than registered voters in Natal.
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
Apparently 1/3 of voters didn't live there, all on holiday. This is a bit excessive, in my opinion.
TonyHawk
Expert Member
Eish... let Zille get into office first
... and she loves the tasks pressures bring... unlike ANC who cover things up... until then zip-it Obvious sign of corruption... I hope the opposition finecombs this
Eish... let Zille get into office first
Obvious sign of corruption... I hope the opposition finecombs this
I doubt wether big botox mouth zille would have kept quiet if there was vote rigging. Obviously u sitting in your homes know more than international observers who was actually THERE...
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
I doubt wether big botox mouth zille would have kept quiet if there was vote rigging. Obviously u sitting in your homes know more than international observers who was actually THERE...
The IFP had already lodged a complaint, no need for Madam Premier to get involved.
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
What, like old baldy who spends R500 a month to chrome his dome? Or Patricia "false teeth" de Lille who had to return the pair she and Benny Alexander shared when she left the PAC? What about Mangosuthu "OMW the man had been speaking for 14 hours non-stop" Buthelezi? And finally, who could forget, Julius "I brought my box of crayons" Malema?
Sticks and stone, honestly. She's a hot aunty, I won't say I haven't thought about it
What, like old baldy who spends R500 a month to chrome his dome? Or Patricia "false teeth" de Lille who had to return the pair she and Benny Alexander shared when she left the PAC? What about Mangosuthu "OMW the man had been speaking for 14 hours non-stop" Buthelezi? And finally, who could forget, Julius "I brought my box of crayons" Malema?
Sticks and stone, honestly. She's a hot aunty, I won't say I haven't thought about it
LOL
killadoob
Honorary Master
Well it could be people are scared of zuma because he is a rapist and corrupt, both charges never stuck.
He could well be the reason we don't become zim2 because as uneducated as people believe he is i believe he has the brains to know that turning us into zim does serve him his friends or anyone in this country well.
I know he dislikes mugabe so who knows we wait and see what happens there, the jury for me is still out on zuma. He may be the next bob but he may be the best president we have ever had and i hope he helps the poor because they look at him as their savior.
We will find out in the next few years if people are right to think we could be zim 2.0. I still think that rape charge and the corruption charge where manufactured by the powers that be to try and topple him and i think they failed he and walked away from it unscathed. He has been through an epic amount of legal shyte and walked away without one charge sticking, not quite sure if that means he was innocent or he got himself out of it through "contacts" but it does seem like they were out to get him.
He could well be the reason we don't become zim2 because as uneducated as people believe he is i believe he has the brains to know that turning us into zim does serve him his friends or anyone in this country well.
I know he dislikes mugabe so who knows we wait and see what happens there, the jury for me is still out on zuma. He may be the next bob but he may be the best president we have ever had and i hope he helps the poor because they look at him as their savior.
We will find out in the next few years if people are right to think we could be zim 2.0. I still think that rape charge and the corruption charge where manufactured by the powers that be to try and topple him and i think they failed he and walked away from it unscathed. He has been through an epic amount of legal shyte and walked away without one charge sticking, not quite sure if that means he was innocent or he got himself out of it through "contacts" but it does seem like they were out to get him.
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What, like old baldy who spends R500 a month to chrome his dome? Or Patricia "false teeth" de Lille who had to return the pair she and Benny Alexander shared when she left the PAC? What about Mangosuthu "OMW the man had been speaking for 14 hours non-stop" Buthelezi? And finally, who could forget, Julius "I brought my box of crayons" Malema?
Sticks and stone, honestly. She's a hot aunty, I won't say I haven't thought about it
Blasphemy chiskop
Executive Member
If Zuma was innocent and had nothing to hide there would have no need to fire Vusi Pikoli, and interfere with our independant NPA, would there? I'm not disputing that there was political interference from Mbeki's side, but if Zuma was innocent he would have nothing to hide?
He was guilty of fraud and corruption, bottom line. So was Shaik Shabir. Both are now free, thanks to the ANC's interference. That sucks big time in a so called democracy, and doesn't bode well for the future...
killadoob
Honorary Master
Problem is nobody really knows who is on who's side, how do you know the guys trying to nail zuma where not corrupt themselves? You just assume zuma did this and cannot even begin to think there may be forces out there that do not want him in power and i am not talking about the voters.
There is something about Zuma i think, these forces are scared of him and i do not believe it is because he is going destroy the country, something is very strange about this whole zuma thing and makes me think people do not want him in power, not the voters who are scared. Now they may be scared of him because he will turn this country into zim 2.0 but it could be other reasons of which we know nothing about
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I for one am glad to see the back of mbeki and am very interested in what zuma will do in the future.
There is something about Zuma i think, these forces are scared of him and i do not believe it is because he is going destroy the country, something is very strange about this whole zuma thing and makes me think people do not want him in power, not the voters who are scared. Now they may be scared of him because he will turn this country into zim 2.0 but it could be other reasons of which we know nothing about
.I for one am glad to see the back of mbeki and am very interested in what zuma will do in the future.
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