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Question of the Day: What is your non-negotiable item, device, or app for international travel?
Polo Vivo 1.4
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Superjakes
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Rather sell the 17" 40 profile tyres (and presumably rims) you have lying around at your house. You aren't thinking of BUYING those for an entry level VW, are you?
They could cause damage to your emotional state, with lots of people pointing fingers and giggling at you.
They could cause damage to your emotional state, with lots of people pointing fingers and giggling at you.
blaaislaai
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I wouldn't do it on a 1.4, simply because the extra weight can damage the drivetrain in the long run.
Stevie G
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You don't pimp cars liker that dude. its a nice decent luxury family car. rather get yourself a ****ty toyota or polo anf fak it up.
just my 2c
just my 2c
Brawler
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Not really, unless you drive like a muppet. But someone who considers putting 17" tires on a Vivo however makes me think that might be a possibility. If the tires were larger I'd have to agree however.
The unsprung weight increases however so suspension (shocks, springs, etc. etc. etc.) and wheel bearings wear out faster, how fast depends on the design time tolerances. Also the larger wheels means the car will be slower because larger wheels = less torque (the final gear ratio has increased, so to speak, therefore power and torque decrease). You'll also notice that ride will be rougher.
"Style" has its costs.
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genetic
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I always laugh at people who put massive rims on little 1300 corsa's or golfs with tiny little brake discs in the middle. 
What are they trying to prove? I'm probably too old to for that kind of stuff anyway...
What are they trying to prove? I'm probably too old to for that kind of stuff anyway...
I don't like the whole 17" alloys thing but I do prefer having sound. Not lots of bass, just decent, eg. Split systems running off a amp and shallow mount sub-woofer (adds some bass but it isn't loud or overbearing and doesn't take up the entire boot). Then again I especially like listening to music while I drive.
LCBXX
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Not to derail, but it is shocking what VW are charging for the Vivo, compered to a new price of a 9N polo before the new-look 6R was launched. They took out plenty of equipment on the Vivo and still it costs more than equivalent 9N variant. Ford did the same with the Figo - guess the SA carbuyer is still milkable.
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genetic
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Very much so.
Rouxenator
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Uhm, the VW Vivo part already does that...
I could not agree more with you. This is one of the reasons I absolutely hate VW. They are overpriced and underspec'ed when compared to the competition.
Thanks very much for the info. Some of it was even useful.
Its not critical that i put 17" tyres on the car (i bought it for my mother). I just don't like the feel of the 14" tyres. I'd be happy with a 15 or 16" tyre.
I just wanted to know what it would result in - what is the highest tyre size, width i can use safely, without damaging the vehicle. Also with regard to the warranty. I was told, if i change the tyres it would null the warranty on the suspension.
However, another dealer told me i could put any tyre i choose (15", 16", 17") and the warranty would still hold... As long as the rim was a VW product.
This doesn't seem likely, however i will keep you guys posted.
Its not critical that i put 17" tyres on the car (i bought it for my mother). I just don't like the feel of the 14" tyres. I'd be happy with a 15 or 16" tyre.
I just wanted to know what it would result in - what is the highest tyre size, width i can use safely, without damaging the vehicle. Also with regard to the warranty. I was told, if i change the tyres it would null the warranty on the suspension.
However, another dealer told me i could put any tyre i choose (15", 16", 17") and the warranty would still hold... As long as the rim was a VW product.
This doesn't seem likely, however i will keep you guys posted.
Depends on the car and the rims.
You get 15" tires that are lighter and smaller than 13" tires. And so on and so forth.
For example:
Standard tire on many small cars:
Width/Height/Rim Diameter
155/80/TR13:
- Tire Diameter (cm): 57.912
- Tire Circumference (cm): 181.864
175/65/TR14:
- Tire Diameter (cm): 58.42
- Tire Circumference (cm): 183.642
195/50/TR15
- Tire Diameter (cm): 57.658
- Tire Circumference (cm): 181.102
Notice that the 15" tire has smaller diameter and circumference than the 13" whereas the 14" tire is larger than both.
That means that a car with those 15" tires won't lose performance because of the gearing effect of larger tires but the tires are much ticker which means grip has improved because there is a larger contact area between the road and car.
Ideally you want to get a tire that has the same calculated circumference and diameter to your original but greater width.
Calculator located here: http://www.5speedtransmissions.com/calculators.html
Personally my car came with those exact spec'd 13" tires and I fit those exact 15" tires. The difference between the 2 is staggering, you cannot compare how much more grip 15" of those specs have. On the 13" you hardly have any grip @ 120km/h, the 15" tires I can easily go up to 180km/h and the car still feels completely stable. Also going around corners, mayor difference in stability.
It's not something many people can tell because they don't push their cars, but on the 13" I could only hit ~80km/h on a certain corner with the 15" I could go up to ~120km/h before I could feel the car start slipping (it is the same corner).
Both were Bridgestone tires btw.
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Surely the bigger rims add extra weight (from bigger alloys) should slow down your car and increase fuel consumption
Lol go fly a kite. Theres some 19s that are lighter than the wheel you have on your car.
OP, Im sure the sticker in your petrol cap has tyre pressure amounts for 17's.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with putting 17s on, it wont make your car faster or slower.
And depending on the wheel you choose, your car will look and handle better.
Slow it down, no. Increase fuel consumption yes. Also most cars sold by manufacturers today have steel rims (if it isn't alloy it's steel, they are easy to spot). Alloy rims are significantly lighter so you can increase the size without compromising weight ,only up to a point tho. The example I gave of going from 13" steelies to 15" alloys did increase my weight slightly but not by much.
Naturally whenever you have larger tires your rolling resistance increases so fuel consumption increases, how much however is the question. From 14" to 17" it'd probably be quite a bit but for a smaller tire like 13" to 15" doubt the increase is too much.
Going from 14" to 17" your car will definitely be slower. Use a gear calculator and you'll see the huge difference in speed between 14" and 17"[Quattro];5365975 said:
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