http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...cs-firms-back-plan-to-cut-animal-testing.html
Possibly fantastic news!
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...cs-firms-back-plan-to-cut-animal-testing.html
Possibly fantastic news!
It's a proven fact that mammals, birds, fish, reptiles and some cephalopods are sentient beings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience
Not sure I'm following you here.
HavocXphere
Honorary Master
For stuff like beauty products cell cultures and computer models could work.
But for hardcore drugs...not a chance. Hell they can't even work out why/how the drugs work in some cases (e.g. Lithium). And its not just isolated cases: That coffee you (a billion or so others) drink every morning helps protect your liver against scaring. Nobody knows how/why. Thats the level of knowledge available on some of these drugs. And they want to model that? LMAO
What they should be doing is this: Leave animal testing in place but reduced in scale and slot the cell & computer testing in *before* the animal testing.
There is a darker side to this too: Companies can & have been moving away from animal testing for a while. They just use human testing earlier: Get a bunch of volunteers, give them cash, bury them in NDAs & waivers. Problem solved: The testing gets done and the NDAs keep the whole thing under wraps. So instead of animals suffering we've got humans test subjects at increased risk & (possibly) suffering. People die in these tests. And the animal rights people call that a success.
On the whole though this is definitely a positive development.
But for hardcore drugs...not a chance. Hell they can't even work out why/how the drugs work in some cases (e.g. Lithium). And its not just isolated cases: That coffee you (a billion or so others) drink every morning helps protect your liver against scaring. Nobody knows how/why. Thats the level of knowledge available on some of these drugs. And they want to model that? LMAO
What they should be doing is this: Leave animal testing in place but reduced in scale and slot the cell & computer testing in *before* the animal testing.
There is a darker side to this too: Companies can & have been moving away from animal testing for a while. They just use human testing earlier: Get a bunch of volunteers, give them cash, bury them in NDAs & waivers. Problem solved: The testing gets done and the NDAs keep the whole thing under wraps. So instead of animals suffering we've got humans test subjects at increased risk & (possibly) suffering. People die in these tests. And the animal rights people call that a success.
On the whole though this is definitely a positive development.
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HavocXphere
Honorary Master
Ian Appleton is a perfect substitute for animals when testing potentially nasty things. Same goes for other serious criminals.
It won't happen because under our ridiculous constitution the human rights of criminals far outweigh the pain of their victims and human obligations are no longer considered necessary.
Paedophile’s victims speak out
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/paedophile-s-victims-speak-out-1.913139
It won't happen because under our ridiculous constitution the human rights of criminals far outweigh the pain of their victims and human obligations are no longer considered necessary.
Paedophile’s victims speak out
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/paedophile-s-victims-speak-out-1.913139