Proof : Gun control does NOT work

Gun control really works! NOT!

http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20070221081947625C579384

And how did this chaps family benifit from gun control? Whatever the excuse/justification is, go tell his DEAD children why gun controlled FAILED so miserably.

How many of these incidents happen per year? A couple of dozen?
Now how about the thousands of possible murder and rape cases which are avoided every year because the victim warded the criminal off with a warning shot or showing their firearm?

Look at the carnage road vehicles cause each year. We should ban cars and trucks too with this type of logic.

We should ban or require a license for sharp objects too like knives, screwdrivers, etc.
Woman, 82, stabbed to death : http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,9294,2-7-1442_2043843,00.html
Teenage girls stabbed to death : http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,9294,2-7-1442_2050276,00.html
Man stabbed to death after argument : http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=&art_id=iol116705254735M523

If each year 50 people die from domestic firearm abuse and 50000 are saved through having a firearm please tell me which group you'd like to save.
Banning something because of a few examples of people being injured is pop tart logic.
 
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I'm not sure I see the point. What if he had gassed everyone in the family car or drove it off a bridge? The gun was merely a tool used by a twisted individual and I doubt any level or method of control in the world would have produced a different outcome.

..What if.. you cant rewind time to play out a 'what if' scenario. He used a Gun. not a car, not a paper-cup, not a lawnmower. the what-ifs are are all hypotheical arguments.
His family is now dead 'cos the police (aka Gun Control act) 'thought' he was a trustworthy and responsible gun owner.
 
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..What if.. you cant rewind time to play out a 'what if' scenario. He used a Gun. not a car, not a paper-cup, not a lawnmower. the what-ifs are are all hypotheical arguments.
His family is now dead 'cos the police (aka Gun Control act) 'thought' he was a trustworthy and responsible gun owner.
I'm trying to find any reference in the article that the gun was even registered and if so that he had re-registered it under the gun control act. Even the article refers to it as the gun and not his gun

If you can make your assumptions then I can rewind time. ;)
 
I don't think that his kids care whether the gun was registered or not.
Of course not but would they care to a greater degree that it was even a gun?

We've all heard the adage/cliché - guns dont kill people, people kill people.
 
I'm trying to find any reference in the article that the gun was even registered and if so that he had re-registered it under the gun control act. Even the article refers to it as the gun and not his gun

If you can make your assumptions then I can rewind time. ;)

Ok, you win :D (Dont you think the media would have said - Murdered with an unlicensed firearm.. they are very quick to point at illegal dealings)

Registered or NOT. The Wife and Kids are dead. and THAT is where the Government has failed the Children of today and Familys who are affected by this tragedy. They should make anyone applying for a gun to re-do psycological tests every 6 months... make is so kuk that no-one will want to own one.

He used his own gun : Gun Control Failure
He stole a gun : Gun Control Failure
He bought a gun : Gun Control Failure
He got a friend to help : Murder & Gun control failure

No matter how its analysed.
 
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His family is now dead 'cos the police (aka Gun Control act) 'thought' he was a trustworthy and responsible gun owner.

That is an illogical claim to make. Rethink your argument and try again.
 
Ok, you win :D (Dont you think the media would have said - Murdered with an unlicensed firearm.. they are very quick to point at illegal dealings)

Registered or NOT. The Wife and Kids are dead. and THAT is where the Government has failed the Children of today and Familys who are affected by this tragedy. They should make anyone applying for a gun to re-do psycological tests every 6 months... make is so kuk that no-one will want to own one.

He used his own gun : Gun Control Failure
He stole a gun : Gun Control Failure
He bought a gun : Gun Control Failure
He got a friend to help : Murder & Gun control failure

No matter how its analysed.

In your world, if this man could not get a gun, would he have then decided it was too much trouble to kill his family and therefore live happily ever after?
 
In your world, if this man could not get a gun, would he have then decided it was too much trouble to kill his family and therefore live happily ever after?

We'll never know, 'cos in your world its so easy to get a gun and pull the trigger six times.
 
We'll never know, 'cos in your world its so easy to get a gun and pull the trigger six times.

What utter rubbish. A person who does something like that has severe mental problems. The gun is just the tool and not the cause.

To even consider that this person would not harm anyone if there were no guns in preposterous and using it as a bullet-point against gun ownership is useless on so many levels. But you are free to believe in whatever fantasies allow you to sleep better at night.
 
In your world, if this man could not get a gun, would he have then decided it was too much trouble to kill his family and therefore live happily ever after?

What is too much trouble? using a knife? killing six people while they tried to fight you off? .. or Point n Click?

I cant say what he was thinking - but people thinking that the 'Gun' is a easy solution to a problem is part of THE PROBLEM.

Maybe he would have walked out on his family? Maybe he would have thought of other avenues to help his pain? There are lots of maybe's... but HE thought a 'The Gun' was the answer.

Do you really think he is going to hack his family up with a panga and then club himself to death :rolleyes:
 
What utter rubbish. A person who does something like that has severe mental problems. The gun is just the tool and not the cause.

This is my point... there are lots of responsible gun owners ... but the laws are not stopping the psycopaths getting them either! They are totally Inadequate!
 
He used his own gun : Gun Control Failure
He stole a gun : Gun Control Failure
He bought a gun : Gun Control Failure
He got a friend to help : Murder & Gun control failure

No matter how its analysed.

I'm glad you're finally agreeing with the thread topic.

Koos
 
This is my point... there are lots of responsible gun owners ... but the laws are not stopping the psycopaths getting them either! They are totally Inadequate!

People will always slip through the cracks, especially in SA where every department in government is hopelessly broken and corrupt (except for SARS, it seems the government gets its act together when it come to taking our money).

It would be interesting to tally the death and injuries caused from legally obtained guns to those from illegal guns. Until such time that there is law and order, a working government and under control corruption stricter gun laws are all but pointless.
 
No, but they weren't killed by anything else.

And yet thousands are every year.

Ok, you win :D (Dont you think the media would have said - Murdered with an unlicensed firearm.. they are very quick to point at illegal dealings)

Actually, they tend to point out when a firearm is licensed rather than the reverse.

make is so kuk that no-one will want to own one.

They've been trying. Periodic renewal is part of the licensing system already, as are pretty much all of the measures you mentioned. Guess what, people are feeling threatened enough that they'll jump through the hoops anyway.

He used his own gun : Gun Control Failure
He stole a gun : Gun Control Failure
He bought a gun : Gun Control Failure
He got a friend to help : Murder & Gun control failure

Exactly - gun control failure. It's impossible to implement a system whereby no illegal guns are available, and sometimes the tests used by the CFR fail as well. That's a problem with the system, not with legal gun owners.

We'll never know, 'cos in your world its so easy to get a gun and pull the trigger six times.

Where do you live that it's easy to get a legal firearm? Of course illegal firearms are difficult.

What is too much trouble? using a knife? killing six people while they tried to fight you off? .. or Point n Click?

I cant say what he was thinking - but people thinking that the 'Gun' is a easy solution to a problem is part of THE PROBLEM.

Maybe he would have walked out on his family? Maybe he would have thought of other avenues to help his pain? There are lots of maybe's... but HE thought a 'The Gun' was the answer.

Do you really think he is going to hack his family up with a panga and then club himself to death :rolleyes:

You're going to tell me it'll be difficult for a fully grown man to overpower three children, his wife and a bedridden elderly woman, one at a time?

Even you admit that HE thought the gun was the answer. Hence the problem is with him, not with the firearm.

Yes, people have hacked up family members and then committed suicide... gassing yourself in a car, jumping from a bridge, walking into traffic.

This is my point... there are lots of responsible gun owners ... but the laws are not stopping the psycopaths getting them either! They are totally Inadequate!

There are way more responsible gun owners than irresponsible ones, and you cannot use a single case to justify the confiscation and denial of arms. Otherwise I could state the same using the many cases of family killings by police, and the police officer who on sunday shot four of his friends because he was frustrated after an argument with his neighbour. Ban police from having firearms!

The laws are adequate, but are being badly enforced. Laziness is not an excuse to permit a total ban.

You're arguing from emotion again, ignoring fact. Unfortunately, lives saved by firearms are far less sensational and grisly than lives ended with the same.
 
The Difference is I want MORE STRICTER controls added :D

What stricter controls? You've already admitted that you won't be happy with anything less than a blanket or de facto ban, and all of the measures you've mentioned are already part of the legislation. As pointed out before, you know nothing about this subject.
 
What stricter controls? You've already admitted that you won't be happy with anything less than a blanket or de facto ban, and all of the measures you've mentioned are already part of the legislation. As pointed out before, you know nothing about this subject.

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