PS4, Xbox One pre-order prices, launch dates appear

So older disks won't work on the new consoles? They basically forcing people to buy these new units if they want to enjoy new games?

Backwards compatibility was a novelty idea to boost console sales. I bought the 60 gig for that exact reason, but ps3 versions of my ps2 games were also available. It is mentioned that there will be cheaper Ps4 versions of the Ps3 games if you have purchased the Ps3 version already. Lots of speculation, but i can't really see any reason to replay my ps3 games on the ps4. i played it, its over.
 
It is mentioned that there will be cheaper Ps4 versions of the Ps3 games if you have purchased the Ps3 version already.

Where did you see that?

I cant imagine they would bother - it would be a LOT of work to port a game from Cell to x86. And if they did bother, they'd want a decent amount of money for it.
 
Well yeah, but thats unavoidable.

NES cartridges didnt work in a SNES, and Mega Drive cartridges didnt work in anything but a mega drive. The backwards compatibility that we have had for the past generation or two has actually been unusual in the history of video game consoles.
Yeah but consoles being crippled pc's isn't something we've had before. The Mega Drive had a converter for Master System games. The SNES had an adapter for Game Boy. The Retroport allowed NES games to be played on it.
 
PS3 launch price was R6799, 60GB, two controllers, Resistance Fall of Man and Motorstorm:)

R4k to R5k would be reasonable(but probably unlikely), else I'll be waiting until at least the first price drop.
 
Yeah but consoles being crippled pc's isn't something we've had before. The Mega Drive had a converter for Master System games. The SNES had an adapter for Game Boy. The Retroport allowed NES games to be played on it.

Consoles have always been computers - the only difference is that they now have an instruction set in common with your desktop PC.

The Nintendo DS and most Android devices both use ARM CPUs - I dont see anyone complaining that the Nintendo DS does not get the Android Play Store. For that matter, the iPhone and most Android phones also use ARM CPUs, and are even more similar than the DS and Android phones. Yet you dont expect to run Android software on an iPhone.

These are not crippled PCs, they are special purpose PCs. Both have hardware that you will never, ever see in the desktop. The PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 - I dont think that will ever be available for desktops. The Xbox has its 32mb daughter die - again, not something you will find on a desktop. The XBox has 5 pieces of custom silicon - most gamer PCs have 3.
 
Consoles have always been computers - the only difference is that they now have an instruction set in common with your desktop PC.
On a technical level yes. The way they functioned though they looked like anything but. Restrictions were more than just the amount of RAM and game memory with each console handling sprites and background graphics differently. Not allowing backwards compatibility here sound much like an arbitrary decision but we'll wait and see.

The Nintendo DS and most Android devices both use ARM CPUs - I dont see anyone complaining that the Nintendo DS does not get the Android Play Store. For that matter, the iPhone and most Android phones also use ARM CPUs, and are even more similar than the DS and Android phones. Yet you dont expect to run Android software on an iPhone.
Not really a fair comparison. We don't expect something to run on something else with a monumentally different operating system. A Xbox would not be expected to play PS games but a successor to a PS would be expected to play those games.

These are not crippled PCs, they are special purpose PCs. Both have hardware that you will never, ever see in the desktop. The PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 - I dont think that will ever be available for desktops. The Xbox has its 32mb daughter die - again, not something you will find on a desktop. The XBox has 5 pieces of custom silicon - most gamer PCs have 3.
Well special purpose perhaps but if it's artificially prevented from doing some tasks then it's crippled imho.

There has been mixed reports of GDDR5. Early specs did include it. The latest roadmap could just be an omission. Shared memory is a serious bottleneck.
 
That price sounds more or less accurate... Been a few years, so forgive me :)

I think I will wait out the PS4 cooling period, then snap one up. For now, another PS3 will do (gave mine to my brother).

+1. Have a lot still to play on my ps3, and tbh, have never been a PC gamer, so graphics dont play the biggest role in my gaming. Can wait for the ps4 to be cheaper, no rush. The cycle will however be difficult to ignore. First to market to grab market share between ps4 and xbone could result in low price entry. once market share has stabilised, then pricing will probably increase, stabilise, and then fluctuate with seasonal cycles again.?
 
These are not crippled PCs, they are special purpose PCs. Both have hardware that you will never, ever see in the desktop. The PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 - I dont think that will ever be available for desktops. The Xbox has its 32mb daughter die - again, not something you will find on a desktop. The XBox has 5 pieces of custom silicon - most gamer PCs have 3

Ok, might be a slight bit wrong but surely the profitability over time argument takes priority over the initial cost (not to the extent the PS3 did at selling at a loss). The early adopters will certainly brag about the technology, but its utilization is the key. Buying a new PC creates an immediate benefit for all previous games and the potential new ones on the horizon, but as the current consoles have displayed to fully utilize a new console it takes years of trial and effect to get the same result.

So in this instance it comes down to the appeal of the services (I've been pretty happy with PS3 exclusives, and am awaiting my The Last of Us as a "the last exam I'll ever have to write" celebration), but popular titles that gravitate to one console will influence its sales (for the R1000 wii u sale I was tempted to camp out just to get it for a single game then use it as a new media centre [my Hdd had just died, so would have been pretty much equivalent]). The tech doesn't matter, but the final product, which is the games/experience they can deliver
 
+1. Have a lot still to play on my ps3, and tbh, have never been a PC gamer, so graphics dont play the biggest role in my gaming. Can wait for the ps4 to be cheaper, no rush. The cycle will however be difficult to ignore. First to market to grab market share between ps4 and xbone could result in low price entry. once market share has stabilised, then pricing will probably increase, stabilise, and then fluctuate with seasonal cycles again.?

I was actually thinking about this earlier, that I will just end up plumping for a stock clearance PS3, the best of the exclusives lineups and cross-platform titles, and have those to keep me entertained until the PS4 enters it's first revision cycle. Add in the Bluray functionality, and I can certainly wait it out...
 
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