R32 000 PC Budget assistance

kolaval said:
Not designed for what, being used by a 3090?


Good you agree there is an issue.

@_kabal_ @airborne @UrBaN963
If you're spending in excess of R37k on a 3090 why not spend the R800 more for a 1000w and not have the potential issue?
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I made that point originally :cool:

If you can afford a 3090, you can afford the best of the best of everything
 
Thank you all for the help and everything else.

Well i was going to buy the PC parts today but 3 of the parts went out of stock on wootware today!

In the end, I got the same 1440p ISP 165hz monitor but on Takealot for R6500 on special.

I ordered the MSI MAG B550M Bazooka for R3075 on wootware along with:

- 2x8GB 3600mhz cl18 Ram - R1450

- 1 TB Pilot SSD - R2000

- 850w Gold 80+ EVGA - R2070


I got the CPU 5600G from Techfox for R4362 which is cheaper than wootware.

Now that I see the GPU prices coming down I definitely will get something better than a 3060 TI to use the 1440p monitor better.

I would get a 1000w+ psu but it simply isnt necessary for me at this moment nor for a little while, thanks @wizardofid
 
[XC] Oj101 said:
Here's what I've got together based on OP's first post with some changes.
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Thanks my friend. Great help - much appreciated.

Probably might have changed some things if I saw your post before I ordered the stuff however, I am not mad at my selection. Thanks again though You the MVP
 
NickDiablo said:
Thank you all for the help and everything else.

Well i was going to buy the PC parts today but 3 of the parts went out of stock on wootware today!

In the end, I got the same 1440p ISP 165hz monitor but on Takealot for R6500 on special.

I ordered the MSI MAG B550M Bazooka for R3075 on wootware along with:

- 2x8GB 3600mhz cl18 Ram - R1450

- 1 TB Pilot SSD - R2000

- 850w Gold 80+ EVGA - R2070


I got the CPU 5600G from Techfox for R4362 which is cheaper than wootware.

Now that I see the GPU prices coming down I definitely will get something better than a 3060 TI to use the 1440p monitor better.

I would get a 1000w+ psu but it simply isnt necessary for me at this moment nor for a little while, thanks @wizardofid
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Yeah no problem. well if you going with 3060, you could have gone with a bronze rated PSU, it isn't worth spending too much on PSU, with the ATX3.0 spec coming, a corsair CX750 would have done the job as well equally and cheaper, remember the gold rating, doesn't mean quality, the higher the rating the more efficient the power draw is from the wall, it doesn't take a lot to get gold certified(platinium is an entirely different story), the testing methodology, temperature testing levels is below real world conditions, so it isn't entirely accurate.

PSU's in future especially ATX 3.0 ones will be moving over to the cybernetics PSU certification, which not only tests efficiency, but other aspects as well, which is far more accurate and indicative of quality. The second problem is DDR4 is old hat, next gen CPU's are/will be DDR5, and most will be dropping support, intel actually quietly asked motherboard manufactures to drop support for DDR4 when 13th gen is released. Technically 13th gen is supported on the current 12th gen motherboards and 13th gen would support DDR4, but it is sort of a bad time to invest in DDR4 as well, not that the DDR5 prices make it easy.


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Or the corsair CX 750( there is the older none modular and a modular version of it) would have done the job as well, which could have saved you a bit more and gone with 32gig memory. Don't be fooled by the rating, bronze doesn't means less quality, just a less efficient topology, less efficient power draw from the wall, above 500watt there is only a limited amount of topologies they can use for that much power, especially in a switching power supply and generally they are all pretty good.
 
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wizardofid said:
Yeah no problem. well if you going with 3060, you could have gone with a bronze rated PSU, it isn't worth spending too much on PSU, with the ATX3.0 spec coming, a corsair CX750 would have done the job as well equally and cheaper, remember the gold rating, doesn't mean quality, the higher the rating the more efficient the power draw is from the wall, it doesn't take a lot to get gold certified(platinium is an entirely different story), the testing methodology, temperature testing levels is below real world conditions, so it isn't entirely accurate.

PSU's in future especially ATX 3.0 ones will be moving over to the cybernetics PSU certification, which not only tests efficiency, but other aspects as well, which is far more accurate and indicative of quality. The second problem is DDR4 is old hat, next gen CPU's are/will be DDR5, and most will be dropping support, intel actually quietly asked motherboard manufactures to drop support for DDR4 when 13th gen is released. Technically 13th gen is supported on the current 12th gen motherboards and 13th gen would support DDR4, but it is sort of a bad time to invest in DDR4 as well, not that the DDR5 prices make it easy.


www.wootware.co.za

EVGA 220-B5-0850-V3 850 B5 850W 80 Plus Bronze Fully Modular Black Desktop Power Supply

Buy EVGA 220-B5-0850-V3 850 B5 850W 80 Plus Bronze Fully Modular Black Desktop Power Supply at Wootware with fast shipping & superb service.
www.wootware.co.za www.wootware.co.za

Or the corsair CX 750( there is the older none modular and a modular version of it) would have done the job as well, which could have saved you a bit more and gone with 32gig memory. Don't be fooled by the rating, bronze doesn't means less quality, just a less efficient topology, less efficient power draw from the wall, above 500watt there is only a limited amount of topologies they can use for that much power, especially in a switching power supply and generally they are all pretty good.
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honestly the 3060 or TI is not suitable for 1440p gaming unless one wants to scrape by.

Ill keep an eye on GPU prices over next 2 months, the minimum card im gonna get for this PC, is a 3070 ti.
 
wizardofid said:
Yeah no problem. well if you going with 3060, you could have gone with a bronze rated PSU, it isn't worth spending too much on PSU, with the ATX3.0 spec coming, a corsair CX750 would have done the job as well equally and cheaper, remember the gold rating, doesn't mean quality, the higher the rating the more efficient the power draw is from the wall, it doesn't take a lot to get gold certified(platinium is an entirely different story), the testing methodology, temperature testing levels is below real world conditions, so it isn't entirely accurate.

PSU's in future especially ATX 3.0 ones will be moving over to the cybernetics PSU certification, which not only tests efficiency, but other aspects as well, which is far more accurate and indicative of quality. The second problem is DDR4 is old hat, next gen CPU's are/will be DDR5, and most will be dropping support, intel actually quietly asked motherboard manufactures to drop support for DDR4 when 13th gen is released. Technically 13th gen is supported on the current 12th gen motherboards and 13th gen would support DDR4, but it is sort of a bad time to invest in DDR4 as well, not that the DDR5 prices make it easy.


www.wootware.co.za

EVGA 220-B5-0850-V3 850 B5 850W 80 Plus Bronze Fully Modular Black Desktop Power Supply

Buy EVGA 220-B5-0850-V3 850 B5 850W 80 Plus Bronze Fully Modular Black Desktop Power Supply at Wootware with fast shipping & superb service.
www.wootware.co.za www.wootware.co.za

Or the corsair CX 750( there is the older none modular and a modular version of it) would have done the job as well, which could have saved you a bit more and gone with 32gig memory. Don't be fooled by the rating, bronze doesn't means less quality, just a less efficient topology, less efficient power draw from the wall, above 500watt there is only a limited amount of topologies they can use for that much power, especially in a switching power supply and generally they are all pretty good.
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Your knowledge is impressive, Where does one learn all this stuff?
 
NickDiablo said:
Your knowledge is impressive, Where does one learn all this stuff?
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I'm running a 3070 and I would say it's about all you need for 1440p. If the price difference isn't large, then a 3070Ti is worth it, but in my experience, you don't need more than a 3070 for 1440p, even with RTX on.
 
UrBaN963 said:
I'm running a 3070 and I would say it's about all you need for 1440p. If the price difference isn't large, then a 3070Ti is worth it, but in my experience, you don't need more than a 3070 for 1440p, even with RTX on.
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Yeah price difference would be the main thing to look for.

I suppose it depends on the gaming thats gonna be played - and other things like, ill be recording gameplay so that's a bunch of fps gone while playing.
Granted the games i will be playing range from Fallout 3 to Cod Warzone / kingdom come deliverance(heavy hardware game) so it depends
 
NickDiablo said:
Yeah price difference would be the main thing to look for.

I suppose it depends on the gaming thats gonna be played - and other things like, ill be recording gameplay so that's a bunch of fps gone while playing.
Granted the games i will be playing range from Fallout 3 to Cod Warzone / kingdom come deliverance(heavy hardware game) so it depends
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I also record when I play, haven't noticed any major performance hits. Nothing that's caught my eye anyway. Obviously it depends how much eye-candy you want.

Then again, I have a 165Hz adaptive-sync screen, so it smooths out any major dips in FPS.
 
NickDiablo said:
honestly the 3060 or TI is not suitable for 1440p gaming unless one wants to scrape by.

Ill keep an eye on GPU prices over next 2 months, the minimum card im gonna get for this PC, is a 3070 ti.
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The 3060 and TI should be fine for 1440p gaming over 60fps, I have a 2060 super and it gets over 60fps on most games. Though I would look at a 3070 to get over 70+ and better 1%.
 
UrBaN963 said:
I also record when I play, haven't noticed any major performance hits. Nothing that's caught my eye anyway. Obviously it depends how much eye-candy you want.

Then again, I have a 165Hz adaptive-sync screen, so it smooths out any major dips in FPS.
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True. Really is that what adaptive sync does?

nice, my monitor is also 165hz with adaptive sync
 
Lupus said:
The 3060 and TI should be fine for 1440p gaming over 60fps, I have a 2060 super and it gets over 60fps on most games. Though I would look at a 3070 to get over 70+ and better 1%.
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not for some games on ultra settings, like kingdom come deliverance in populated areas/towns.
When i look at benchmark videos for 1440p ultra gaming and a 3060 ti - it seems like it is not such a great experience.

Considering my previous PC for gaming, was 2+ years ago and it was a 1660 ti GPU at 900p resolution - even then some games performed badly, the last thing i want is to play at 1440p resolution at the same fps i had with the 1660 ti
 
NickDiablo said:
not for some games on ultra settings, like kingdom come deliverance in populated areas/towns.
When i look at benchmark videos for 1440p ultra gaming and a 3060 ti - it seems like it is not such a great experience.

Considering my previous PC for gaming, was 2+ years ago and it was a 1660 ti GPU at 900p resolution - even then some games performed badly, the last thing i want is to play at 1440p resolution at the same fps i had with the 1660 ti
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Yeah not many cards will handle ultra :-), also the visual differences between high and ultra aren't that much to make you need to push your card. Drop it down to high
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NickDiablo said:
True. Really is that what adaptive sync does?

nice, my monitor is also 165hz with adaptive sync
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Yea, adaptive sync is much like G-Sync. So it adjusts the monitor refresh rate to match the FPS output of the GPU so you don't get laggy or uneven performance in the game - it still looks smooth. In the tiniest nutshell I could find.
 
NickDiablo said:
Your knowledge is impressive, Where does one learn all this stuff?
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I did tear downs of PSU's in the early 2010's as a hobby, part of the process was learning about how PSU's work and operate, it required reading reviews,(before youtube reviews became popular) which meant studying the testing methodology behind the current 80+ certifications. The issue with the 80+ certification generally is that the testing temperatures are on the low side, many bronze/gold rated PSU's have failed efficiency tests under real world conditions, due to far higher temperatures in testing and reviewing rigs. Most of them didn't fail badly, there are odd exceptions, but most failed with a few percent.

Each PSU has a certification code which can be checked against a database, which would tell you exactly how it preformed under various loads. The problem is that the testing temperatures were less then ideal and quite a few scrapped by on particular rating they got.

Topologies have changed quite a bit in recent years, switching power supplies is a lot more common compared to what they use to be 10-15 years ago. Which means topologies used in PSU's is based on wattage now especially in switching power supplies is pretty predictable, there is only a handful of topologies that are in use once you get past the 500watt range and even less when you go past the 750-850 range for switching power supplies. With more power hungry 12volt hardware in recent years it seems that most manufactures and OEMs have switched over to single rail 12volt power supplies, while there are still multi rail PSU's, they aren't that common.

The reason for that is you more likely to run into rail limits on a multirail PSU, due to uptake in 12 volt hardware, RGB, fans, water pumps, ect. At some point in the future we are likely to see 12volt only power supplies, a few system builders are already using 12volt only power supplies, and 3.3v and 5volt is generated on the motherboard it self. But that is an entirely different spec and will take even longer then the ATX 3.0 for adoption. But it wouldn't surprise me if we start seeing ATX 3.0 power supplies by year end.

The 3090 and 3090ti already has the 12+4 12vo connector on the graphics card and currently make use of a split cable convertor. The handy thing about that connector is the little 4 pin on it which directly communicates with the PSU on the ATX 3.0 PSU, and lets the gaphics card know whether or not it can deliver the required wattage and will be able to throttle the GPU in the event there isn't enough, which means less system instability and PSU shutdowns.

There is lots of interesting info, as well as scary things, did you know, some Chinese manufactures, the sketchy ones, back in the early 2000's would use cement or weigh down their PSU's in some form or another. Back then a mark of a good or quality PSU was generally found in the weight of the PSU, as some of these sketchy guys would skimp on cooling fins used in power supplies at the time. Rectifying bridges needs a lot of cooling, the better the cooling fins are the heavier the PSU will be, which is a good indication it had proper cooling for example. While most people still refer to a tier list when considering a PSU, it is mostly moot these days and well as the capacitor tier list. It is a good reference to work from, but since those tier list, topologies have changed ect, your unlikely to get a sketchy power supply above 750watt mark,( manufacture fault definitely) most sketcy guys stick below the 500watt mark as the topologies are cheap and easy.

At one point Chinese capacitors failure rate was extremely high to due to an issue with the raw materials used in the capacitors, which is why Japanese capacitors were all the rage, the quality difference between the two these days isn't that big, Japanese caps still have the edge and the price of the PSU will reflect it as well. We are at a point where it was preferred that the primary and secondary side of the PSU be Japanese, to primary side should have at least the main cap be Japanese at a point now where it depends on the topology what caps are used. We have more or less gotten to a point where brand name can affect the price more than the actual PSU.
 
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