R99 Debit Orders

Randux

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Why aren't banks doing more to stop these illegal debit orders from being placed? Surely it can't be that difficult, one solution I can think of is before a debit order is accepted you as an account holder must authorise via a call from the bank or by replying with YES to an SMS sent by your bank asking for your approval. Having to call the bank every month to have these debit orders reversed is tiring and inconvenient.
 
Why aren't banks doing more to stop these illegal debit orders from being placed? Surely it can't be that difficult, one solution I can think of is before a debit order is accepted you as an account holder must authorise via a call from the bank or by replying with YES to an SMS sent by your bank asking for your approval. Having to call the bank every month to have these debit orders reversed is tiring and inconvenient.

They are. Have been working on a project the last 2-3 years called Authenticated Collections. Was due to go live later this year, but will probably be only next year.
 
Why aren't banks doing more to stop these illegal debit orders from being placed? Surely it can't be that difficult, one solution I can think of is before a debit order is accepted you as an account holder must authorise via a call from the bank or by replying with YES to an SMS sent by your bank asking for your approval. Having to call the bank every month to have these debit orders reversed is tiring and inconvenient.
This is coming into practice shortly for all new debit orders, the bank will confirm authorization first.

http://www.iol.co.za/business/personal-finance/debit-order-changes-to-favour-you-2016020
 
Here's some more info: http://www.pasa.org.za/home/2016/03/15/news

Authenticated Collections is the process whereby consumers will electronically confirm to their bank that you are in the process of doing business with a company/user and that you agree to the details of the specific Debit Order. Once you have authenticated your Debit Order, the bank will check the Debit Order payment instruction from the company/user against your authenticated mandate to ensure that the debit is within the parameters you agreed to, prior to processing. At this stage, this process will only be implemented for Early Debit Orders, and not for normal Debit Orders. This means that from a certain date, only Authenticated Debit Orders will be processed in the Early Processing Window and all other Debit Orders later in the day. The Authenticated Collections project introduces new criteria for collecting money in the Early Processing Window.

“Authenticating all Early Debit Orders is a means to protect consumers from unscrupulous companies who attempt to debit consumers’ bank accounts without their permission,” says Volker. “As a result, consumers will know who is debiting their bank account, when they will debit and how much will be debited. At the same time, this new system will also protect Companies in that authenticated mandates will not be easily disputable by consumers.”

Some typical examples of how an electronic authentication might be achieved include an SMS or USSD request from the account holder’s bank - which is then confirmed by the consumer, or a card and PIN authentication within a store.
 
Why aren't banks doing more to stop these illegal debit orders from being placed? Surely it can't be that difficult, one solution I can think of is before a debit order is accepted you as an account holder must authorise via a call from the bank or by replying with YES to an SMS sent by your bank asking for your approval. Having to call the bank every month to have these debit orders reversed is tiring and inconvenient.

As already said, such a system is being implemented.

Yuu will have to allow the debit order via banking app/website or by having swiped your card and entering your pin...
 
The only issue I see is that the R99 debit order scam will just move from being billed against a bank account to against a cell phone contract....
 
Why aren't people adjusting their notifications to alert you of debit orders over R10?

Think the minimum on FNB is R100. I once tried to change this to R50 and it didn't allow me. Has this changed? Or is it possible with other banks?
 
Why aren't banks doing more to stop these illegal debit orders from being placed? Surely it can't be that difficult, one solution I can think of is before a debit order is accepted you as an account holder must authorise via a call from the bank or by replying with YES to an SMS sent by your bank asking for your approval. Having to call the bank every month to have these debit orders reversed is tiring and inconvenient.

Because they earn a fee for every debit order coming off your account.
 
Because they earn a fee for every debit order coming off your account.

From a Paying Bank point of view, yes. But the work has to come from the Collecting Bank, to stop the fraud from happening in the first place.

Banks do have to report collectors to PASA if their dispute limit is above a certain threshold, where eventually, penalties can come. But the collectors are just moving from bank to bank to avoid the proverbial banhammer.

Authenticated Collections will solve most problems here... it is just taking a while because it's probably the biggest project ever where the banks needed to work together on the same project.
 
Think the minimum on FNB is R100. I once tried to change this to R50 and it didn't allow me. Has this changed? Or is it possible with other banks?

With ABSA, I get notified even for the R21 ABSA rewards fee

The debit order will still happen and you'd still have to spend time/effort to reverse it, all that lower notification limit changes is that one will know about it earlier.

The thing is that they are counting on you not to notice and thus not to reverse it.
 
The reason i am assuming the fraud will move platform from banks to Cellular is due to the following:
1) All you need is an ID number and bank account to load a debit order via a fake call recording, at present.
2) All you need is an ID number and a cell number to complete the same via cellular billing

The problem is that ID + Bank + Cell data exists in abundance all over SA in lists which people can by for probably 10c a record. Currently if you load it on a bank account you get all your funds ( the strike costs are very small and normally fixed ), but if you target a VAS via Cellular you pay a commission to the provider.

Current fraud is simple but once it becomes harder than the second they will just switch. The problem is no different and dodgy call centres/agents are a dime a dozen.
 
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