Rapists

I'm all for the death penalty but in this country these days it really worries me that corruption and incompetence will see more harm than good come from it. I'd be shouting for it from the rooftops if it weren't the case. Look, I don't have an alternative solution to offer and I believe we need to rid ourselves of the sick pieces of trash we have freely roaming our streets, but where to from here? Sadly, I don't know.
 
francoislr said:
I think some kind of work must be found for prisoners. They have to pay for their stay. No work, no eat. 15 days of chilling a year, Weekends maybe. They should be productive. The extra money they make should be given to the victims or their families. There should be prison farms. We need to make them productive!
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We used to have a system like this, were prisoners were made to work on farm prisons and to work on our roads etc... This was stopped because the prisoners claimed that there human rights were being violated.
 
catruter said:
We used to have a system like this, were prisoners were made to work on farm prisons and to work on our roads etc... This was stopped because the prisoners claimed that there human rights were being violated.
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That, and what would the non-prisoner menial labour sector of the population do? :p Seriously though, in this country we create so-called "jobs" where really, there is no significant contribution to the economy or anything else. Case in point - petrol pump attendants (though not really applicable to prison labour).
 
Most people that enter prison just go right back there. Prison does not stop crime as simple as that.
Some people go there so they can get higher in the gang or whatever.
 
seventhson said:
Most people that enter prison just go right back there. Prison does not stop crime as simple as that.
Some people go there so they can get higher in the gang or whatever.
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Yes, some goes in with a diploma in dagga smuggling and walks out with a Masters in human trafficking
 
A criminal that is serving a Life sentence does what ever they want in prison because they have nothing to lose. The poor correctional officers that have to look after these inmates have no way to control these inmates because there hands are tied by human rights. Therefore prison is not all that bad for Life sentence inmates because they can do what ever they want for the 25 years that they are locked up!
 
It is very expensive to keep a person in the department of correctional services for life. They get food catered for them by the sub contractors bosasa, they get tv catered for them by the sub contractor sondolo and they get the best medical treatment for anything that bothers them. All this costs the tax payers a lot of money. They have more human rights in prison and this blocks the correctional officers from doing there jobs properly. They even have the right to vote and choose the leaders of our country, even after they have taken an innocent persons rights away. And a life sentence is not life anymore, its 25 years. The death sentence should be implemented for all schedule six crimes and this includes rape with the intention to harm. This should make all potential criminals think twice before committing a violent crime.
 
Ekstasis said:
their death does not have to serve anything. It's what he deserved which IS death. This whole story about no one deserves to die is absolute nonsense. If you're a cold blooded killer / serial rapist, you deserve death, a quick death, immediate, pull the plug.
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No court or legal system exists anywhere in the world that can be trusted to reliably determine guilt and hand out sentences. That's really the crux of the issue.

catruter said:
Since the death penalty was stopped violent crimes have increased
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A common claim, but did violent crime really increase? Or simply spread to people who'd formerly been under heavy guard? You make the ridiculous assumption that no other factors changed.

and since prisoners have been given more rights than the innocent crime has increased. They have taken the innocents rights away, what gives him the right to have more rights than you and to be treated like a king in prison.
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They don't have more rights than me in general.

Ekstasis said:
Why these nutters must stay in death row for so long is beyond me. If you're found guilty and the penalty is death, get on with it!!
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For example the Italian courts should not have wasted all that time on appeals. Amanda Knox should have been marched straight off to her execution after being convicted.

The same goes for a serial rapist who ruined the lives of innocent girls who now must struggle emotionally for the rest of their lives(in their own prisons for which they never asked in the first place)
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Why restrict ourselves to rape? What if after being mugged someone is permanently traumatised? What if it's a serial mugger? What about parents who leave their children permanently traumatised?

Stefanmuller said:
The only other choices you have is to either let them go free or serve life in prison. The first option is insane, and the second is a waste of everyones time and money.
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You clearly have no conception of how much more careful we'd have to be, and thus how much money we'd have to spend to execute someone. We're already making enough screw ups as it is.

catruter said:
The death penalty is just one effective way to punnish these criminals
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Hey if you repeat that often enough maybe it will become true.

I'm not against executing people, but I don't try to pretend it's cheaper or that it has some deterrent effect, and I certainly don't advocate killing people based on the flimsy nonsense we currently call evidence.
 
Simple. Death sentence. Not as a deterrent, but as means of removing that person from our already overcrowded community.

If they need someone to flick the switch, I'll sign up. Not out of hate towards the offender or compassion towards the victim, but out of necessity to clean up our world. Emotion has no place in such actions.

As for 'sending them to jail', I caught a guy stealing our car 3 years ago, I still haven't even had my first appearance to testify in court. Every time there's some new problem.

Until the justice system gets a complete overhaul, I'm definitely not going to go out of my way to deter mob justice, even though they're far from the right way of doing things.

I do not condone crimes committed out of necessity, but I do understand the rationale behind it. If you're starving and stealing it makes sense, if you're in an abusive relationship and want to protect your offspring, taking out your hubby in his sleep makes sense. However, hate and greed crimes with no regard for humanity has no place. Heck, it turns out the guy who stole our car owns a house and a bunch of taxis. By all rights I should be the one stealing from him.

How does someone condone the killing of a foreign soldier (who is only protecting his country and following orders the same way our soldiers are), but when someone is preying on innocent women/children and destroying their future, then all of a sudden its inhumane to want to take his life for it?

Our world is overcrowded, if you cannot make a positive difference in the world or purposely destroy the lives of those who want to, why should we allow you to use our energy resources and eat our crops?
 
Ekstasis said:
After some time in prison, the criminal becomes institutionalised - prison becomes a way of life not so much a punishment. The victim who was murdered is gone, no chance of coming back - the criminal took that life away. He deserves to die. The same goes for a serial rapist who ruined the lives of innocent girls who now must struggle emotionally for the rest of their lives(in their own prisons for which they never asked in the first place)
If you cannot see that then you're very ignorant.
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So anyone who doesn't share your viewpoint is ignorant. An interesting way of viewing things, I guess. I suppose if you want to argue points based on emotion, rather than fact, it's a useful technique though.

Again, how is death a punishment? Once you're dead there is no further punishment, it's simply over. If the person was in fact innocent, then there is no chance for reprieve. If you want the person to mull over their crimes, it's not going to happen after they've been executed. Do all criminals become institutionalised? Do some violent criminals feel remorse?

I suppose what it comes down to is this, are you arguing from a position of fact, or emotion? If you're arguing from emotion, do you really think you're the best person to decide someone's fate? Do you think judges are valued for their emotion, or their careful appraisal of the merits of a case?
 
fastesthamster said:
So anyone who doesn't share your viewpoint is ignorant. An interesting way of viewing things, I guess. I suppose if you want to argue points based on emotion, rather than fact, it's a useful technique though.

Again, how is death a punishment? Once you're dead there is no further punishment, it's simply over. If the person was in fact innocent, then there is no chance for reprieve. If you want the person to mull over their crimes, it's not going to happen after they've been executed. Do all criminals become institutionalised? Do some violent criminals feel remorse?

I suppose what it comes down to is this, are you arguing from a position of fact, or emotion? If you're arguing from emotion, do you really think you're the best person to decide someone's fate? Do you think judges are valued for their emotion, or their careful appraisal of the merits of a case?
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For most humans self preservation is a fundamental
 
Saw a movie when I was still a little boy about a prison island in the middle of nowhere.

Drop them all there, and let them fend for themselves :D

ps: no no no no: i didn't mean australia :whistle:
 
fastesthamster said:
Again, how is death a punishment? Once you're dead there is no further punishment, it's simply over. If the person was in fact innocent, then there is no chance for reprieve. If you want the person to mull over their crimes, it's not going to happen after they've been executed. Do all criminals become institutionalised? Do some violent criminals feel remorse?
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Geez you're petty about his....fair enough one cannot call it a punishment, agreed. Call it the result of your crime/s.
fastesthamster said:
I suppose what it comes down to is this, are you arguing from a position of fact, or emotion? If you're arguing from emotion, do you really think you're the best person to decide someone's fate? Do you think judges are valued for their emotion, or their careful appraisal of the merits of a case?
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What a silly thing to say, I'm not a legal judge am I. That is what courts are there for. Further more, it's not a case have handing out DP sentences LRACentre, a person should be found guilty without a doubt before a death penalty should be given. Plenty cases were absolutely clear on who the perpetrator was - no doubt
 
Ekstasis said:
Geez you're petty about his....fair enough one cannot call it a punishment, agreed. Call it the result of your crime/s.
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Yes, how silly of me to be petty when we're discussing whether to end another human being's life.

So we're agreed, it's not a punishment. So is it a deterrent? Do you know the stats? How about you look at the US, since it has states with, and without, the death penalty, and see which is more of a deterrent. Life in prison, or the death penalty?

Ekstasis said:
What a silly thing to say, I'm not a legal judge am I. That is what courts are there for. Further more, it's not a case have handing out DP sentences LRACentre, a person should be found guilty without a doubt before a death penalty should be given. Plenty cases were absolutely clear on who the perpetrator was - no doubt
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Thank the pope for that.

I can think of plenty of scenarios where a person could be framed so that they could be found guilty without a doubt. If you become a menace to the powers that be, maybe they'll set you up? If there is the possibility that an innocent person could be executed, would you still want the death penalty?
 
Are we still referring to repeat convicted serial rapists beyond rehabilitation as per the OP, or has this derailed into a general death penalty debate?
 
Put them in chain gangs and let them fix our roads or build RDP houses...
That way :
1. Hard work is as much an deterant to criminals as the death penalty probably.
2. Tax payers actualy benefit from criminals being incarcerated - they help to build/maintain our infrastructure.
3. Criminals get to learn a life skill which could be used to find work when they are released from jail.
 
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satanboy said:
If you are found guilty of rape for the second offence or rape with physical violence, you should receive a LIFE sentence with NO chance of parole, EVER.


What do you think?
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See the highlighted part .............. rape IS physical violence in itself!!!
 
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