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The chief justice of south Africa disagrees. And as chief justice... he uses a scale that man.

I also disagree.

eg...you go bar cruizing and pick up a drunk woman...you go to her place...things get heated/raunchy...the next morning she claims that she said no and goes to the police. She lays a rape charge against you. There was no violence involved...do you still want a death sentence?
 
I also disagree.

eg...you go bar cruizing and pick up a drunk woman...you go to her place...things get heated/raunchy...the next morning she claims that she said no and goes to the police. She lays a rape charge against you. There was no violence involved...do you still want a death sentence?

If that is your modus operandi you are not a rapist...you are a pig.
 
The problem is that most humans just can't get along or behave.

And that is why we have the law, to make sure we treat each other and live according to societal rules.

I'm interested to hear what fastesthamster's solution would be. Should we treat rapists & hardened criminals with kid gloves and continue to let them terrorise the community with their acts?
We already lock ourselves up in our homes while the criminals roam free, why should the ones that try & live a productive, crime-free life be put in a situation like that?
Why should the ones not able or willing to keep by the rules be protected?

IMO if you cannot respect someone's elses human rights then your human righs should be taken away from you.

fastesthamster?
 
Bryce Lawrence's handling of our Australia match was dubious, to say the least. Imagine if he was a judge, deciding over whether you have to live or die. That is my only problem with the death penalty. If "proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt" was reality, I'd be a staunch supported of the death penalty, because I do believe that a murderer or a rapist has lost the right to live.

But with the current state of affairs in our country, I don't trust the judicial system to actually judge the truth of the matter. And I don't trust the police to be honest in the evidence they present either.

Has anyone here read John Grisham's "Innocent Man"? Seems quite apt for this discussion.
 
Put them in chain gangs and let them fix our roads or build RDP houses...
That way :
1. Hard work is as much an deterant to criminals as the death penalty probably.
2. Tax payers actualy benefit from criminals being incarcerated - they help to build/maintain our infrastructure.
3. Criminals get to learn a life skill which could be used to find work when they are released from jail.

None of these things are done in prison at the moment because the inmates claim that its against there human rights to be made to work etc...!
 
I also disagree.

eg...you go bar cruizing and pick up a drunk woman...you go to her place...things get heated/raunchy...the next morning she claims that she said no and goes to the police. She lays a rape charge against you. There was no violence involved...do you still want a death sentence?

You should not be picking up drunk woman at bars because her judgment has been clouded. This is just as bad as giving her pills and taking advantage of her! And that is Rape!
 
None of these things are done in prison at the moment because the inmates claim that its against there human rights to be made to work etc...!

Well the death penalty is also against their human rights.
Which is better death penalty or hard labour?
BTW System could be implemented for volunteers - after which inmates that participate get extra bennefits while in jail / early parole / learn skills that will help them to find work after their release etc.
 
While I still had TopTV I used to watch Locked Up on MSNBC. It used to play from 05:00 - 13:00 every saturday and sunday. Opens up one's eyes to prison life

I found the Solitary Confinement / Administrative Segregation sections interesting. This is for the real badasses. They're locked up 23 hours a day, can't tell night from day from inside their cells and they're only permitted to have a small radio and reading material. The books may not contain any pictures of women or children (for those who'd been convicted of sexual assault). They're also not allowed to associate with anybody, except the guards. And the hour they're not locked up they must go excessive inside a cage which is surrounded by high walls so they cannot see the convicts in general population

I don't know about you guys, but that would mess me up completely!
 
Well the death penalty is also against their human rights.
Which is better death penalty or hard labour?
BTW System could be implemented for volunteers - after which inmates that participate get extra bennefits while in jail / early parole / learn skills that will help them to find work after their release etc.
You might find this hard to believe, but this is happening already in out prisons. I know because my dad is a warden
 
You might find this hard to believe, but this is happening already in out prisons. I know because my dad is a warden

This only happens with medium security inmates that are serving a max of 10 years and below, this does not happen with violent criminals that have commited schedule six crimes, like rape!
 
While I still had TopTV I used to watch Locked Up on MSNBC. It used to play from 05:00 - 13:00 every saturday and sunday. Opens up one's eyes to prison life

I found the Solitary Confinement / Administrative Segregation sections interesting. This is for the real badasses. They're locked up 23 hours a day, can't tell night from day from inside their cells and they're only permitted to have a small radio and reading material. The books may not contain any pictures of women or children (for those who'd been convicted of sexual assault). They're also not allowed to associate with anybody, except the guards. And the hour they're not locked up they must go excessive inside a cage which is surrounded by high walls so they cannot see the convicts in general population

I don't know about you guys, but that would mess me up completely!

This does not happen in the prisons of today in south africa, this was the practise in prisons before 1994. When inmates were not given so many rights in prison. If you did this today with violent prisoners they would have the human rights commission down on your head so hard that you would ***t yourself!
 
If you are found guilty of rape for the second offence or rape with physical violence, you should receive a LIFE sentence with NO chance of parole, EVER.
You should get your LIFE removed as you never will be able to add anything worthwhile to humanity in your miserable existence.
 
While I still had TopTV I used to watch Locked Up on MSNBC. It used to play from 05:00 - 13:00 every saturday and sunday. Opens up one's eyes to prison life

I found the Solitary Confinement / Administrative Segregation sections interesting. This is for the real badasses. They're locked up 23 hours a day, can't tell night from day from inside their cells and they're only permitted to have a small radio and reading material. The books may not contain any pictures of women or children (for those who'd been convicted of sexual assault). They're also not allowed to associate with anybody, except the guards. And the hour they're not locked up they must go excessive inside a cage which is surrounded by high walls so they cannot see the convicts in general population

I don't know about you guys, but that would mess me up completely!
You can't compare yourself to murderers and rapists... unless you do those things.
 
You should not be picking up drunk woman at bars because her judgment has been clouded. This is just as bad as giving her pills and taking advantage of her! And that is Rape!

This happens every night...so that means you believe the statistic that 1 in 4 men are rapists.
 
I'm quite surprised at how many anti-death penalty peeps replied in this thread. I didn't think anybody could still be against it in a country where babies are being burnt alive in newspapers, but however that may be. The idea that the death penalty has no deterrent value is absolute nonsense. It may not deter everybody, but it would deter me. Since I'm not so arrogant as to think I am the most unique person on the planet, I can with good faith say that since it will deter at least me, it will deter some other people. In my opinion if it deters one murder a year then that's enough reason to reinstate it. Personally I would see it as punishment, and it would scare the crap out of me, though obviously it doesn't apply to some of the nihilists on this forum who don't seem to care if they live or die.

The idea that crime has suddenly only spread to white areas and that it was always like this in black areas is similarly nonsense. You'll find plenty of people living in townships that will tell you things are much worse now when it comes to violent crime. In fact it's so bad that quite a few random people end up stoned to death or burned to death every year. What's worse? Having a person stand trial for murder, found guilty, given the right to appeal for several years, and then being humanely disposed of, or have people take the law into their own hands, burn people alive etc. If you think evidence is "flimsy" in the courts then surely you must see that it is non-existent in many rural areas. Vigilanty justice is on the increase, and no, I don't care to go Google it for you.

A great many of the murderers in South Africa are repeat offenders, especially in the case of hijacking and farm murders so prevalent here. Many escape. Many are released within 5-10 years. Many that are released get arrested again for the same crime. Therefore I can say with 100% certainty that executing them will reduce the murder rate... by 100% of the repeat crime rate.

I also find it hilarious that several of the anti death penalty bunny huggers here argue that being jailed is a much worse punishment than being executed, then argue that we shouldn't implement the death penalty because evidence is "flimsy" and innocent people can be arrested. Is imprisonment only a worse punishment for criminals, but when an innocent person is involved then death penalty is suddenly worse? And if you're going to argue that you can never prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, shouldn't we do away with jail sentences altogether and just let everybody walk free? I mean how could you ever prove anything. Isn't it unfair to arrest people for ANY crime based on this, supposedly, easily faked and flimsy evidence?

Another argument was that the state could use it to make you disappear. Well, sorry to burst that pipe dream for you, but if the state wants you to disappear it's going to happen whether there is a death sentence available to do it with or not. Anybody who believes that governments don't have access to people who can make this happen has to be naive.

Lastly, somebody claimed that it would as expensive, if not more expensive, to execute somebody as it would be to keep them in jail. Absolute nonsense. Whether jail time or the death penalty is involved there will be appeal processes and trials and they will cost the same. However, after all that has been done and the criminals punishment is final you'd have to feed and house them for 25 years where the death sentence can be carried out very cheaply indeed. If you want to see how cheaply, give me a convicted murderer and I'll demonstrate.

In Japan they only give the death penalty for multiple murders with aggravating circumstances. Farm murders, hijackings and house robberies in this country would be covered by this, so I'd support a similar system here.

And just so this isn't completely off topic: I think rapists should be chemically castrated and given a literal life long jail sentence. This 25 year BS is a farce. I also really don't care about the remorse a murderer or rapist feels later, the victim ends up the same whether they decide they have an oh so guilty conscience or not.
 
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