Rare HIV strain

Zeridene are you happy to be a dishonest medical doctor?

zeridine said:
you have proven my point again. is that how i must look at your posts?
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Zeridene you are the joke. You call yourself a medical doctor, but you are unable to provide me with a document where the existense of HIV was proven with the aid of an experiment. I want from you a write-up of an experiment where HIV was purified.

With HIV not being purified all HIV tests are invalid. And Zeridene if you are an honest person you should admit that all HIV test are invlaid because HIV was never purified.

As a doctor you are not suppose to test people for a virus of which the existense cannot be proven.
 
Johan Beaurain said:
edc don't be rediculous. This is not a contest to prove superior computer skills.
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I'm superior to you in every way. Google is my friend.

More by edc concerning Johan Beaurain coming soon at my website near you.
 
I never argued that people do not get sick more than what they should?

Abe said:
I can't believe this. I suppose the massive increase in mortality of young adults in SA is just a myth. Most of these people are not even diagnosed with anything and therefore aren't scared to death by their doctors. Those blinders of yours must be massive. I see from your blog that you are also against vaccination. If you are so sure of your assertions, why not sleep with a few HIV+ people and see if you get sick.

It must be wonderful to live in a world where the only real threats to people are from large conglomerates, governments and other conspiratresses.
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People are defintely not as healthy as what they should be. Young people are dying of AIDS-like conditions.

But I am disputing the causes of these deaths.

The diseases defintely do not start as a result of pathogenic infections.

Most of the people are finding themselves in a state of dis-ease, but the infections are not the main cause of the dis-ease. The increases in unwelcome parasites living on people only happens after the people become diseased. Not before.
 
Johan Beaurain said:
Zeridene you are the joke. You call yourself a medical doctor, but you are unable to provide me with a document where the existense of HIV was proven with the aid of an experiment. I want from you a write-up of an experiment where HIV was purified.
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Lets for one moment ignore what some would call an angle (It sounds like you sell vitamens to people) and assume that there is potentially some truth in what you are saying re HIV/AIDS. The problem is that you are not offering any reasonable scientific explanation as to why people are dying. You are like a little kid in a class where someone brings in their ant farm which is struggling a bit. People start offering suggestions to fix it up and all you say is, no, thats wrong. Not offering anything tangible as an alternative, just no. If you are so convinced that most, if not all, of the scientists around the world are wrong, why don't you go and prove it. Prove scientifically what people are dying from. Then maybe some can invent a cure.
 
then why dont their IgE levels raise? Why dont their Eosinophil levels raise? where's your proof?

(Edit: this reply is directed at johan)
 
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Johan Beaurain said:
People are defintely not as healthy as what they should be. Young people are dying of AIDS-like conditions.

But I am disputing the causes of these deaths.
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Ok, let me understand this. So there is no correlation between the areas where HIV is rife and the number of deaths in those areas? Townships in SA are in the same situation as they were 15 years ago but more people are dying.
Most of the people are finding themselves in a state of dis-ease, but the infections are not the main cause of the dis-ease. The increases in unwelcome parasites living on people only happens after the people become diseased. Not before.
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So, if I understand, you are trying to say either that a disease makes someone sick and the AIDS then kills them, or the disease makes them sick and the AIDS just happens to multiply while the person is dying and that they would have died anyway. There was a story about how AIDS/HIV was discovered that went along the lines of a person dying of a disease that only effects cats. How would you explain that case?
 
Abe i fear arguing with johan over HIV and AIDS has been done to wits end in another thread already. linky
 
zeridine said:
then why dont their IgE levels raise? Why dont their Eosinophil levels raise? where's your proof?
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I am a mathematically / computer inclined person but this how discussion astounds me. I say this because I know some people with HIV/AIDS. Some of them are healthy (and taking medication) and there is another one who is not doing well at all. This person was quite far along when they started taking the drugs. Because this person is now taking the drugs, he is able to at least to some work to support his family which I can't imagine is very easy. He would probably have died six months ago in the condition that he was when I saw him, but is still going and I would attribute this to the drugs. I may be missing the boat completely, but I don't think so.
 
zeridine said:
Abe i fear arguing with johan over HIV and AIDS has been done to wits end in another thread already. linky
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I am just astounded. I was genuinely trying to understand his point of view as it is always a good idea to keep an open mind. That said, I get the feeling that he falls back on the "not yet proven" idea when cornered. Maybe he should accept the "theory" as the best alternative unless something better is offered. At least that is better then argueing over theories while people are dying. At least IMO.
 
Abe said:
I am a mathematically / computer inclined person but this how discussion astounds me. I say this because I know some people with HIV/AIDS.
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i dont really understand what you mean. i wanted to know from johan how come if AIDS is caused by a parasitic infection, why dont you get raised levels on those blood tests. I should have clarified that a bit better. Sorry to hear about your (presumed?) friend.
 
zeridine said:
i dont really understand what you mean.
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Sorry, the post was not directed at what you said, just a general comment. Pushed the wrong button by typed away anyway.

Sorry to hear about your (presumed?) friend.
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Not a friend, just someone I know. The nice thing is that none of the peolpe are having to pay for the ARVs. Someone is organising and paying for the medicine for them.
 
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Johan Beaurain said:
First they were trying to scare the people with a single gogga of which they could not prove the existense. Now they are trying to scare the people with several strains of the gogga of which they are still unable to prove the existense?

What they can see in a petri-dish under a microscope situated in a secret laboratory might be what they think is HIV but it might also be anything else. To prove to me that it is HIV, they will first have to show me that same little HIV-monster alive in the body of a person.
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Or just a body on a slab of a young person who died of influenza.
Or the thousands of bodies of orphans who inherited something deadly from their mother.
You don't have to see or believe in anything, you can simply look at the facts and assume something is wrong.
 
Abe they mix some stuff that can absorb our body-rust into the drugs

Abe said:
I am a mathematically / computer inclined person but this how discussion astounds me. I say this because I know some people with HIV/AIDS. Some of them are healthy (and taking medication) and there is another one who is not doing well at all. This person was quite far along when they started taking the drugs. Because this person is now taking the drugs, he is able to at least to some work to support his family which I can't imagine is very easy. He would probably have died six months ago in the condition that he was when I saw him, but is still going and I would attribute this to the drugs. I may be missing the boat completely, but I don't think so.
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Try and read up about it please. I think they call it anti-oxidants or something. Depending on the exact nature of the compound it could work for a while. Creating the false impression that the person is doing well on the medication. But once the toxic effects of the drug start kicking in, and the toxic levels reach the limits of what the body can tolerate, the person will start deteriorating. If he or she persists with the poison, they will die.
 
Johan Beaurain said:
Try and read up about it please. I think they call it anti-oxidants or something. Depending on the exact nature of the compound it could work for a while. Creating the false impression that the person is doing well on the medication. But once the toxic effects of the drug start kicking in, and the toxic levels reach the limits of what the body can tolerate, the person will start deteriorating. If he or she persists with the poison, they will die.
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But if it gives them 1 year to live when they would have had 2 months, what then, is that not a good thing?
 
Abe please let the people decide that for themseves.

Abe said:
But if it gives them 1 year to live when they would have had 2 months, what then, is that not a good thing?
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We cannot decide for the people when they want to go. Every person has the power to decide when they want to go. We cannot try and predict the time when people will decide to go. Let them take that decision for themselves.
 
Johan Beaurain said:
We cannot decide for the people when they want to go. Every person has the power to decide when they want to go. We cannot try and predict the time when people will decide to go. Let them take that decision for themselves.
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But if a person decides that they want to live a while longer. They are deciding, no one is deciding for them. Or do you think that all medicine shoud be outlawed if it extends someones life unnaturally?
 
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