Rejecting evolution with science...

Geez porch, everything from the cosmos to the bacterial flagellum to the human cell screams the possibility of design. Compare this to the invisible unguided/unminded force of natural selection? You as a scientist think natural selection is up to the task of handling this complex biological machinery? Was I wrong in saying you would need at the minimum 250 proteins to have the most basic form of life?
 
Ekstasis said:
Sure about that? Even Richard Dawkins once said in an interview that the possibility of an higher intelligence seeding the earth with some form of life cannot be eliminated as a possibility. Does that make him looney or does that give him freedom of opinion?
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Wow you are stretching now, have you been drinking? You are babbling even more than usual tonight.
 
Ekstasis said:
Just checking. So if you're not an evolutionist shut the fek up! That what you're saying?
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No I'm saying if you are an anti-science nutjob that rejects valid science without presenting any reason beyond "this book I think is sacred says so" shut the fsck up.

I have no problem with valid scientific investigations and testing of the theory of evolution to see if it holds up against it. Heck I welcome it. That is how we found out that junk DNA is not so junk after all. That is simply awesome! It reveals a whole management structure within DNA that we were totally unaware of before and it took a proposed addition to modern evolutionary theory and largely flushed it down the toilet. That was a blow to a part of the theory of evolution and I still welcome it. I am not pro-evolution, I am pro the advancement of knowledge.

Unfortunately you don't care about valid scientific investigation. Why you even post in this section of the forum when you are so anti-science I will never know. See I don't clash with you because I am some sort of mindless zealot worshipping at the altar of Darwinism. Perhaps you can't help but see those of us on the pro-science side of the fence that way thanks to your own fanaticism and the insane creationist blogs that you read that undoubtedly keep telling you over and over again that this is some sort of war between religion and evolution and that evolution is being used by atheist to further atheism. That simply isn't the case. This is about science and about growing human knowledge. It just so happens that the theory of evolution looks to be on the right track.
 
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porchrat said:
No I'm saying if you are an anti-science nutjob that rejects valid science without presenting any reason beyond "this book I think is sacred says so" shut the fsck up.

I have no problem with valid scientific investigations and testing of the theory of evolution to see if it holds up against it. Heck I welcome it. That is how we found out that junk DNA is not so junk after all. That is simply awesome! It reveals a whole management structure within DNA that we were totally unaware of before and it took a proposed addition to modern evolutionary theory and largely flushed it down the toilet. That was a blow to a part of the theory of evolution and I still welcome it. I am not pro-evolution, I am pro the advancement of knowledge.

Unfortunately you don't care about valid scientific investigation. Why you even post in this section of the forum when you are so anti-science I will never know. See I don't clash with you because I am some sort of mindless zealot worshipping at the altar of Darwinism. Perhaps you can't help but see those of us on the pro-science side of the fence that way thanks to your own fanaticism and the insane creationist blogs that you read that undoubtedly keep telling you over and over again that this is some sort of war between religion and evolution and that evolution is being used by atheist to further atheism. That simply isn't the case. This is about science and about growing human knowledge. It just so happens that the theory of evolution looks to be on the right track.
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Who said I'm anti-science? Don't be stupid porchrat
 
Ekstasis said:
Sure about that? Even Richard Dawkins once said in an interview that the possibility of an higher intelligence seeding the earth with some form of life cannot be eliminated as a possibility. Does that make him looney or does that give him freedom of opinion?
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Of course it can't be eliminated as a possibility. Neither can flying unicorns and pixies. That doesn't make any of it testable, it doesn't make any of it scientific. The world has seen through that stupid little lie.

Is it some sort of mentally transmitted disease that you refuse to look things up and double check facts?... I've noticed it as a pattern with pretty much every creationist I've ever chatted to on here. None of you look things up, none of you do rudimentary fact checks on the garbage blogs you post. Doesn't it embarrass you? I know I would feel ashamed.
 
Ekstasis said:
Who said I'm anti-science? Don't be stupid porchrat
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LOL dude you have a problem with the theory of evolution because you read your bible literally, not because you have any objective scientific objection to it. Of course you are anti-science. Don't be daft. That ship has sailed mate.
 
What evolutionists doesn't realise is that ID proponents are not all saying the Christian God is the designer. You'll find Muslims, Jews, Agnostics, Christians and other neutral parties all part of the ID movement. Some might consider an alien race even.
 
porchrat said:
LOL dude you have a problem with the theory of evolution because you read your bible literally, not because you have any objective scientific objection to it. Of course you are anti-science. Don't be daft. That ship has sailed mate.
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What you're saying is that there's scientific proof, tested and replicated for the theory of evolution from the first living cell to all the diversity in life we have today? All scientifically based?
 
Ekstasis said:
What evolutionists doesn't realise is that ID proponents are not all saying the Christian God is the designer. You'll find Muslims, Jews, Agnostics, Christians and other neutral parties all part of the ID movement. Some might consider an alien race even.
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Doesn't matter. It still isn't valid science.

Read up on it and you will quickly find out why.
 
porchrat said:
Of course it can't be eliminated as a possibility. Neither can flying unicorns and pixies. That doesn't make any of it testable, it doesn't make any of it scientific. The world has seen through that stupid little lie.

Is it some sort of mentally transmitted disease that you refuse to look things up and double check facts?... I've noticed it as a pattern with pretty much every creationist I've ever chatted to on here. None of you look things up, none of you do rudimentary fact checks on the garbage blogs you post. Doesn't it embarrass you? I know I would feel ashamed.
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We actually do, but logical minds also see logical flaws and gaps that puts the whole argument of evolution (Darwinistic definition btw)under pressure. Through this we also have been a million times.
 
Ekstasis said:
What you're saying is that there's scientific proof, tested and replicated for the theory of evolution from the first living cell to all the diversity in life we have today? All scientifically based?
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No science doesn't prove anything. Proofs are a mathematical concept. Science is empirical.

Jumping Odin on a stick is there any part of science as a discipline that you aren't entirely ignorant of?!?!? Does this level of ignorance truly not shame you into wanting to enrich yourself by learning about these sorts of things????
 
porchrat said:
No science doesn't prove anything. Proofs are a mathematical concept. Science is empirical.

Jumping Odin on a stick is there any part of science as a discipline that you aren't entirely ignorant of?!?!? Does this level of ignorance truly not shame you into wanting to enrich yourself by learning about these sorts of things????
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If he learns about it he might come to the conclusion that the fables he believes are wrong, so enriching his knowledge is not an option for him.
 
Ekstasis said:
It's not valid science? It's the same bloody science. Just a different hypothesis you numbnut.
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So how are you testing it then for it to be a hypothesis? We have done this with you about 15 times and that isnt an exaggeration. At this point in time we need to consider two options either you have a learning disability (highly probable) or you dont care to learn (more likely) and prefer your ignorant ways.
 
Ekstasis said:
We actually do
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LOL no you people don't. I saw Swa post a garbage blog the other day in which the first point made had a massive flaw in it. The man doesn't seem to double check anything provided it supports his conclusion... which he gets from the bible. As another example you know next to nothing about how science works and still refuse to educate yourself on the matter. I've corrected you endlessly in post after post now and still you refuse to educate yourself.


but logical minds also see logical flaws and gaps that puts the whole argument of evolution (Darwinistic definition btw)under pressure. Through this we also have been a million times.
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You live in a cloud of ignorance where you think you have found these great big holes in the theory of evolution by reading some berk's blog. You are a layman. You are also a particularly ignorant layman when it comes to science. Your opinions count for sweet fsck all.

If you genuinely think you have found some fatal hole in the theory of evolution please write up an article and get published. In fact you owe it to the world to do so. Trust me when I say that there isn't a Professor on the planet who would pass up the opportunity to get his/her name on a valid scientific article that shoots the entire theory of evolution down in flames.

I know you won't though because you know deep down, despite your ignorance, that the scientific community either already has answers to the problems you perceive with the theory or that those problems stem only from your ignorance of the subject matter and that you will be laughed at.
 
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Ekstasis said:
It's not valid science? It's the same bloody science. Just a different hypothesis you numbnut.
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No it isn't the same science. Not even close.

ID doesn't even qualify as a fscking hypothesis. It fails on the most fundamental levels to qualify as science. The Theory of Evolution is full blown, rigorously tested and robust validated scientific theory.

You are truly embarrassing yourself here. Seriously stop now.
 
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