[Remote] Intermediate C# developer 2 year contract X 4

warrenpridgeon

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We’re busy getting together a team to service a client (get your minds out of the gutter!)

We need 4 C# developers. Currently looking for Intermediate guys/gals with 4-6 years experience.
This is a remote work position, but we would prefer people based in Gauteng as you'd need to visit the office now and then for meetings and such I.e. once every week or two.

Our current budget is around 40 000 to 55 000 per month (a little wiggle room).
I’ve checked a number of job postings and peeps are looking to employ Seniors (that do a whole departments’ work) for the same range.

This will be for a 2 year gig (minimum) on an annual contract with the idea of moving to full time employment later.

Please DM me if you are interested.
Feel free to ask questions here or in DM.
 
As you're probably aware - these guys are in demand and those "peeps" who are looking to employ seniors at 55k a month aren't going to get them.

40-55k for what you're asking is very average. Its not horrible, but its average.

The unemployment rate amongst software developers is 2%. Most of that is cyclical.
15% - 20% of SA dev jobs in the range with more experience (3-6 years) go unfilled.

Anyone worth their salt that you need is going to be employed and you're going to have to poach them. They are probably already earning what you've quoted and above.

There's not going to be enough incentive to move at the rates you're offering. What you've posted might have been ok for scraping 1 good dev off the pile of candidates that may have been between jobs. But you need 4 of them. And to get that you're going to have to pay above market.

Further problems :

1.The position isn't permanent (bump up pay for this)
2.The position is in Gauteng only and isn't fully remote (bump up pay for this)

To indicate how this market is - A Development manager at Amazon mentioned he might need referrals and I should pass on anyone I knew. I phoned 4 devs (at the experience bracket you mention) who said they weren't interested in an interview there. And thats at Amazon.

I would say R50k-R65k would overcome the friction in the marketplace. R75k-R80k is for properly senior people

As always - you'll know if this post is right by the commitment in the responses you get. If 2 months go by and the response seems lackluster and you haven't hired enough/any people then you know what to do.
 
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retromodcoza said:
As you're probably aware - these guys are in demand and those "peeps" who are looking to employ seniors at 55k a month aren't going to get them.

40-55k for what you're asking is very average. Its not horrible, but its average.

The unemployment rate amongst software developers is 2%. Most of that is cyclical.
15% - 20% of SA dev jobs in the range with more experience (3-6 years) go unfilled.

Anyone worth their salt that you need is going to be employed and you're going to have to poach them. They are probably already earning what you've quoted and above.

There's not going to be enough incentive to move at the rates you're offering. What you've posted might have been ok for scraping 1 good dev off the pile of candidates that may have been between jobs. But you need 4 of them. And to get that you're going to have to pay above market.

Further problems :

1.The position isn't permanent (bump up pay for this)
2.The position is in Gauteng only and isn't fully remote (bump up pay for this)

To indicate how this market is - A Development manager at Amazon mentioned he might need referrals and I should pass on anyone I knew. I phoned 4 devs (at the experience bracket you mention) who said they weren't interested in an interview there. And thats at Amazon.

I would day R50k-R65k would overcome the friction in the marketplace. R75k-R80k is for properly senior people
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Well to be fair, OP did say there is some wiggle room.
 
retromodcoza said:
As you're probably aware - these guys are in demand and those "peeps" who are looking to employ seniors at 55k a month aren't going to get them.

40-55k for what you're asking is very average. Its not horrible, but its average.

The unemployment rate amongst software developers is 2%. Most of that is cyclical.
15% - 20% of SA dev jobs in the range with more experience (3-6 years) go unfilled.

Anyone worth their salt that you need is going to be employed and you're going to have to poach them. They are probably already earning what you've quoted and above.

There's not going to be enough incentive to move at the rates you're offering. What you've posted might have been ok for scraping 1 good dev off the pile of candidates that may have been between jobs. But you need 4 of them. And to get that you're going to have to pay above market.

Further problems :

1.The position isn't permanent (bump up pay for this)
2.The position is in Gauteng only and isn't fully remote (bump up pay for this)

To indicate how this market is - A Development manager at Amazon mentioned he might need referrals and I should pass on anyone I knew. I phoned 4 devs (at the experience bracket you mention) who said they weren't interested in an interview there. And thats at Amazon.

I would say R50k-R65k would overcome the friction in the marketplace. R75k-R80k is for properly senior people

As always - you'll know if this post is right by the commitment in the responses you get. If 2 months go by and the response seems lackluster and you haven't hired enough/any people then you know what to do.
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Why are you posting an essay in the IT Jobs sub though?
 
Out of curiosity what's a C# developer in this context?
Web/mobile/desktop/all of them?
 
warrenpridgeon said:
I’ve checked a number of job postings and peeps are looking to employ Seniors (that do a whole departments’ work) for the same range.
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Just to comment on this point. Senior developers (genuine ones) are extremely rare when looking at the developer market as a whole. You're going to have to pay a lot for someone like this (skilled, competent and super productive).

As you search for prospective developers (whatever seniority), you're going to realize just how difficult it is to find good quality developers that can produce. Not to mention you're competing with other employers looking for them as well.

Unfortunately, whatever the reason, skilled developers are difficult to find and always have been. Further to that, you'd better keep them happy otherwise someone else will take them from you.

The balance of power (employment wise) is equal, if not slightly tilted towards developers in this regard.
 
r4nd0m said:
Just to comment on this point. Senior developers (genuine ones) are extremely rare when looking at the developer market as a whole. You're going to have to pay a lot for someone like this (skilled, competent and super productive).

As you search for prospective developers (whatever seniority), you're going to realize just how difficult it is to find good quality developers that can produce. Not to mention you're competing with other employers looking for them as well.

Unfortunately, whatever the reason, skilled developers are difficult to find and always have been. Further to that, you'd better keep them happy otherwise someone else will take them from you.

The balance of power (employment wise) is equal, if not slightly tilted towards developers in this regard.
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Yep.

I've been a developer for over 15 years... I know the struggles and I've seen the "quality" of some "senior" peeps. I've also seen people come in for technical tests at companies I've worked where they've had 4/5/6 years experience and can't even get a solution that they brought in WITH THEM (employment agency provided them a completed assessment) running.
 
I'm once again looking for a developer. Need a senior person this time.

C# and VB.Net Experience.
Remote work position with occasional office visits. Good team culture, no micromanagement.

Salary anything from 50k to 70k+ depending on your experience etc.
 
retromodcoza said:
As you're probably aware - these guys are in demand and those "peeps" who are looking to employ seniors at 55k a month aren't going to get them.

40-55k for what you're asking is very average. Its not horrible, but its average.

The unemployment rate amongst software developers is 2%. Most of that is cyclical.
15% - 20% of SA dev jobs in the range with more experience (3-6 years) go unfilled.

Anyone worth their salt that you need is going to be employed and you're going to have to poach them. They are probably already earning what you've quoted and above.

There's not going to be enough incentive to move at the rates you're offering. What you've posted might have been ok for scraping 1 good dev off the pile of candidates that may have been between jobs. But you need 4 of them. And to get that you're going to have to pay above market.

Further problems :

1.The position isn't permanent (bump up pay for this)
2.The position is in Gauteng only and isn't fully remote (bump up pay for this)

To indicate how this market is - A Development manager at Amazon mentioned he might need referrals and I should pass on anyone I knew. I phoned 4 devs (at the experience bracket you mention) who said they weren't interested in an interview there. And thats at Amazon.

I would say R50k-R65k would overcome the friction in the marketplace. R75k-R80k is for properly senior people

As always - you'll know if this post is right by the commitment in the responses you get. If 2 months go by and the response seems lackluster and you haven't hired enough/any people then you know what to do.
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This advice was helpful, thank you.

I did end up bumping the offer up. The employee was someone I'd worked with before and kept contact with. He was unhappy at his current role (so I poached him).

He was willing to move for the same money was earning... I gave him an increase to move though.

The new role was hybrid, so he works from home a lot.

I managed to keep him at the client for 2 years but they kept requesting to take him over... so I eventually let them take him on as permanent.

I'm too nice. It's making it harder to grow my business. lol
 
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warrenpridgeon said:
This advice was helpful, thank you.

I did end up bumping the offer up. The employee was someone I'd worked with before and kept contact with. He was unhappy at his current role (so I poached him).

He was willing to move for the same money was earning... I gave him an increase to move though.

The new role was hybrid, so he works from home a lot.

I managed to keep him at the client for 2 years but they kept requesting to take him over... so I eventually let them take him on as permanent.

I'm too nice. It's making it harder to grow my business. lol
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The post you replied to was more than 3 years ago.
 
skimread said:
3 years

The post you replied to was more than 3 years ago.
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And it was helpful. So I wanted to say thank you.

I'm sure you've survived older thread necros in the past and I'm pretty confident you'll survive this one too.
 
warrenpridgeon said:
And it was helpful. So I wanted to say thank you.

I'm sure you've survived older thread necros in the past and I'm pretty confident you'll survive this one too.
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Not the same. This is a job thread i.e. classified ad
 
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