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A sort of broadband question. Would appreciate some guidance as a novice.

I wanted to make sure that as far as possible I have wired connections all over the house and have managed to get most rooms covered.

I’ve got a quote for 10 points to be crimped either side at R400. Is that a good price at all? I’ve used CAt6 cables all around already run to where they need to be.

The intention is for the wall points to be keystones and the other side to connect to the 48port Poe switch set up in 1 of the rooms which would be in the wardrobe which happens to accidentally have a plug point.

1. Is there a cheap way to get the 4x4 boxes with keystones? All the standard items seem to be quite a lot. Thinking it might be easier (not neat) to drill a hole big enough for the keystone and macguyvering the mount somehow.

2. The existing fibre point is in the wrong place relative to the location of the new switch. The ideal one is around 25m away (would this be covered under the new installation 30m allowance from the isp?)

3. The living room ended up with no points behind the Main TV. With a gas fireplace, is there much heat that goes up the chimney (thinking they were wood before and changed to gas later). As stupid as this question sounds is it possible to run a cat 6 cable down the chimney? Down from the ceiling into the lower floor?
 
Mosgi said:
A sort of broadband question. Would appreciate some guidance as a novice.

I wanted to make sure that as far as possible I have wired connections all over the house and have managed to get most rooms covered.

I’ve got a quote for 10 points to be crimped either side at R400. Is that a good price at all? I’ve used CAt6 cables all around already run to where they need to be.

The intention is for the wall points to be keystones and the other side to connect to the 48port Poe switch set up in 1 of the rooms which would be in the wardrobe which happens to accidentally have a plug point.

1. Is there a cheap way to get the 4x4 boxes with keystones? All the standard items seem to be quite a lot. Thinking it might be easier (not neat) to drill a hole big enough for the keystone and macguyvering the mount somehow.

2. The existing fibre point is in the wrong place relative to the location of the new switch. The ideal one is around 25m away (would this be covered under the new installation 30m allowance from the isp?)

3. The living room ended up with no points behind the Main TV. With a gas fireplace, is there much heat that goes up the chimney (thinking they were wood before and changed to gas later). As stupid as this question sounds is it possible to run a cat 6 cable down the chimney? Down from the ceiling into the lower floor?
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firstly the plugpoint in the wardrobe is not accidental, it is for an alarm system ( pretty standard place to put them). Judging by what you said in general, please tell me you did not run the cable in the mains conduit (bye bye cat6 dataspeeds, heck you'd even be lucky to get packets out the other side imho (not a network engineer though). Even worse, it's not up to code (data and mains may not run in the same conduit iirc)

Anyways, I think your best bet would be to run them on the surface with flat trunking (painted the same color of the wall you can barely see it).

On question 1, cheapest way will likely be https://scoop.co.za/linkbasic-cat6-single-surface-mount-box.html (not 4x4)

On question 3. You get heat resistant Cat6 cable, I would absolutely not run standard cable of any kind in a chimney, even gas exhaust gets hot (yes maybe not that hot, but can you guarantee a maximum temp, no, so go for rated cable ( a quick google says it can withstand 165 degrees Celsius which should be ok)
 
another note, ensure that your PoE switch is an active PoE switch (it should state 802.3af or something along those lines). If not, the Poe is always powered and you are going to have a pretty sad network interface for non-Poe devices. and by sad I mean dead most likely . 48port gigabit POE's ( you did mention cat 6 so I can only assume) is pretty expensive hence why I'm asking you to make sure)

and again, not an expert, just like the stuff
 
gertvanjoe said:
firstly the plugpoint in the wardrobe is not accidental, it is for an alarm system ( pretty standard place to put them). Judging by what you said in general, please tell me you did not run the cable in the mains conduit (bye bye cat6 dataspeeds, heck you'd even be lucky to get packets out the other side imho (not a network engineer though). Even worse, it's not up to code (data and mains may not run in the same conduit iirc)

Anyways, I think your best bet would be to run them on the surface with flat trunking (painted the same color of the wall you can barely see it).

On question 1, cheapest way will likely be https://scoop.co.za/linkbasic-cat6-single-surface-mount-box.html (not 4x4)

On question 3. You get heat resistant Cat6 cable, I would absolutely not run standard cable of any kind in a chimney, even gas exhaust gets hot (yes maybe not that hot, but can you guarantee a maximum temp, no, so go for rated cable ( a quick google says it can withstand 165 degrees Celsius which should be ok)
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Wow, thanks for the extensive reply.

So the house was a second storey rebuild & the builder forgot where I said he should put the plug and eyeballed it. Messed it up, I told him to leave it there but put another one in.

The cables were definitely separate, still working through electrical coc snags but would that even pass?

Edit: Anything passes since nobody cares…

I had already run the cables to 4x4 wall boxes (since it was a Reno & I wanted a full wired setup) but I can probably blank them off and mount these boxes next to them without it looking too hideous.

That ont fibre cable might just be a winner in case they won’t move it, actually has me wondering if I can split it into 2 separate termination points, which would make the need for the chimney cable moot (didn’t think it was particularly wise).
 
If that's the case drill a hole through the blank and enter from the inside of the surface mount box, plenty of space in there. Just use a piece of insulation to form a grommet of sorts ( or see where you can source proper grommets)
 
Mosgi said:
Wow, thanks for the extensive reply.

So the house was a second storey rebuild & the builder forgot where I said he should put the plug and eyeballed it. Messed it up, I told him to leave it there but put another one in.

The cables were definitely separate, still working through electrical coc snags but would that even pass?

Edit: Anything passes since nobody cares…

I had already run the cables to 4x4 wall boxes (since it was a Reno & I wanted a full wired setup) but I can probably blank them off and mount these boxes next to them without it looking too hideous.

That ont fibre cable might just be a winner in case they won’t move it, actually has me wondering if I can split it into 2 separate termination points, which would make the need for the chimney cable moot (didn’t think it was particularly wise).
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You can't just split up fiber as where will you run the split to? Your fiber router needs to do auth on the network and such, what's the second point going to do. Depends what speeds you need upstairs you could go with ethernet over power, but that's arguably not the best solution
 
gertvanjoe said:
scoop.co.za

Linkbasic Fibre Outdoor Drop Cable 30M LC-LC APC 1Core

Linkbasic's FDC-30M single core pre-terminated LC-LC (APC) Single Mode fibre drop cable is designed for a quick and easy installation without the need for splicing.
scoop.co.za scoop.co.za
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I see they’re down the road from me, so I’ll take a trip one of these days to pick up samples and test them out for figment. Thanks a lot for this!

Confirmed, managed switch, had to really hold my breath on that one, otherwise I’d have to dump it.

Downstairs is just a smaller area that needs connectivity, don’t need access it in the garage (which will hopefully be covered by the APs upstairs) or the laundry room. So far fewer connection points.

I do have power line adapter at my current place so it’s worth a shot, just the house is 3 phase so it’s touch and go as to whether it’ll work
 
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