RIP Charlie Kirk

NoStepOnSnek88 said:
Dude did you really just post this ^ ?

Is this your logic for self-defence ?

How many reasons do you want ?

Let's start off by uhmmm, this wasn't a self-defence incident, it was murder, so your comment is irrelevant again.

But let me explain, the evil kants you would encounter don't come armed with a teaspoon, nor are they there for a cup of Earl Gray.
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You sound shocked but many people just see it differently to you. A gun doesn't make you bullet proof and it can be a liability at times. You can't always control the situation.
NoStepOnSnek88 said:
Besides, self-defence isn't to protect you from your own loved ones, it's the complete opposite.
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What ? to protect your loved ones from you ? or is that not a consideration.
 
@Solarion

He's not going to get your reasoning, I don't think.

That's because when in a constant state of fear human beings only reason on a very superficial level of "good and bad," "obviously identifiable allies and enemies." Impossible to overcome threats, and easily surmountable challenges in life... are one and the same thing and are classified as the former.

I'm not picking on vigras, here, I'm saying all of us, when gripped in an emotional state of fear basically behave the same way i.e. we treat it as an emergency.

That is to say.... you don't have the luxury of reasoning things out, or being logical, or philosophizing, there's no time for that. This is an emergency!!!!. What you have to do instead, to get out of 'immediate'(it's actually perpetual but they tell themselves its only immediate) danger, is follow government signs, and the instructions of people wearing high-viz jackets, and uniforms with guns to the best route to safety.

This is why when it comes to the State vs the people, the State wins hands down every time. With every swing, Left or Right, of the political pendulum, the State gains more power over the individual.

The real parasites know very well how to keep this toxic game going. That's why they are so committed to keeping that pendulum swinging back and forth.

The one things the parasites cannot afford to do is to allow the Left and Right the freedom to even contemplate separation from one nother. That would be like watching their meal get up from the table and walk out the door.

vigras rojara said:
Sure, I understand that argument. I don't support a total ban on guns, but I understand why some people do. The other things that you mention have other primary intended and common uses, they aren't designed for the sole purpose of killing people.
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See here, he fails to distinguish between murdering someone and killing someone.

A superficial analysis is all you're likely to get out of them while stuck in that fight or flight state. Only people in uniforms have your best interests at heart, and therefore should be allowed to carry/use firearms.

When they say ofc I believe in individual rights, they mean all individual rights must be subject to government agents in high-viz jackets, and their corporate cronies, ofc who we are supposed to believe are **** scared(says so on their corporate-responsibility webpage) of the government.
 
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KulQkumba said:
We could argue that if she had a self-defence gun with her behind that door, the outcome might have been completely different.
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Perhaps she would have shot him ?

But I don't believe Oscar's story in this case. He should have made sure of the situation before firing the gun.
or he was in a rage and murdered her...

All pointing to him being a liability with a firearm. (Considering his history with guns as well)
KulQkumba said:
There...see....guns clearly work for self-defence and if Charlie had himself a gun on that stage he could've defended himself.
(/Removes tongue from cheek)
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Guns don't make you bullet proof. 😉
 
Solarion said:
A knife death would not have occurred if no knives were available. Now we ban baseball bats, crowbar, fire irons, rope and on and on we just basically ban everything because it may be used in a murder.

What about rocks or bottles? See how this ends?
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Do you walk around with a baseball bat and a crow bar in your hands ?

It may not be banned but is one sure fire reason to draw the attention of security personnel.

It's just no the same as being able to conceal a small handgun with six bullets that can kill a bunch of people within seconds... and then be reloaded.
 
Nerfherder said:
It's just no the same as being able to conceal a small handgun with six bullets that can kill a bunch of people within seconds... and then be reloaded.
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These arguments have all been done before though in numerous threads. I can't believe we are back here doing this again and again and again. I'm out. You guys have fun.
 
lexity said:
@Solarion

He's not going to get your reasoning, I don't think.

That's because when in a constant state of fear human beings only reason on a very superficial level of "good and bad," "obviously identifiable allies and enemies." Impossible to overcome threats, and easily surmountable challenges in life... are one and the same thing and are classified as the former.

I'm not picking on vigras, here, I'm saying all of us, when gripped in an emotional state of fear basically behave the same way i.e. we treat it as an emergency.

That is to say.... you don't have the luxury of reasoning things out, or being logical, or philosophizing, there's no time for that. This is an emergency!!!!. What you have to do instead, to get out of 'immediate'(it's actually perpetual but they tell themselves its only immediate) danger, is follow government signs, and the instructions of people wearing high-viz jackets, and uniforms with guns to the best route to safety.

This is why when it comes to the State vs the people, the State wins hands down every time. With every swing, Left or Right, of the political pendulum, the State gains more power over the individual.

The real parasites know very well how to keep this toxic game going. That's why they are so committed to keeping that pendulum swinging back and forth.

The one things the parasites cannot afford to do is to allow the Left and Right the freedom to even contemplate separation from one nother. That would be like watching their meal get up from the table and walk out the door.


See here, he fails to distinguish between murdering someone and killing someone.

A superficial analysis is all you're likely to get out of them while stuck in that fight or flight state. Only people in uniforms have your best interests at heart, and therefore should be allowed to carry/use firearms.

When they say ofc I believe in individual rights, they mean all individual rights must be subject to government agents in high-viz jackets, and their corporate cronies, ofc who we are supposed to believe are **** scared(says so on their corporate-responsibility webpage) of the government.
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@NoStepOnSnek88 For future reference, this is a wall of text.
 
Solarion said:
These arguments have all been done before though in numerous threads. I can't believe we are back here doing this again and again and again. I'm out. You guys have fun.
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Some people have short memories.

Perhaps after 50 rounds of the same argument someone will see logic.
 
Nerfherder said:
Some people have short memories.

Perhaps after 50 rounds of the same argument someone will see logic.
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mybroadband forum doesn't do logic, it does winning arguments all day to save the mankind and the planet, because what we do here is super ultra important lol.
 
Nerfherder said:
You sound shocked but many people just see it differently to you. A gun doesn't make you bullet proof and it can be a liability at times. You can't always control the situation.

What ? to protect your loved ones from you ? or is that not a consideration.
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Nerfherder said:
Perhaps she would have shot him ?

But I don't believe Oscar's story in this case. He should have made sure of the situation before firing the gun.
or he was in a rage and murdered her...

All pointing to him being a liability with a firearm. (Considering his history with guns as well)

Guns don't make you bullet proof. 😉
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Nerfherder said:
Do you walk around with a baseball bat and a crow bar in your hands ?

It may not be banned but is one sure fire reason to draw the attention of security personnel.

It's just no the same as being able to conceal a small handgun with six bullets that can kill a bunch of people within seconds... and then be reloaded.
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I wouldn't engage with you regarding anything related to firearms even if you paid me, so go be disingenuous with someone else.
Try to twist their words and placing things out of context, maybe there's other forum users that will go back and forth with you regarding firearms.
 
I think Charlie would actually be extremely proud and happy today if he could see just how massively influential he was that people can't stop talking about him, can't get him out of their minds and that his biggest psychotic haters (who are all pretending to be happy for tiktok likes btw) can't stop spending their time making all these countless viral moments to make sure that Charlie would never be forgotten. Well done Charlie!!!
 
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